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  • Rnd 1 Grp 3 - Centurion (Britain) vs M26/46 and M47 (USA)

    Round 1, Group 3: Centurion (Britain) vs M26/46 and M47 (USA)


    The British Centurion, which appeared in service shortly after WW2, has enjoyed a very long and distinguished career. It has participated in numerous conflicts.

    The American M26/46 and M47 tanks (mainly the latter) also saw widespread service - and no small amount of combat - over a very considerable period.

    Which of these two candidates will catch your vote?



    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the most significant and/or influential?



    Candidate #33 - Centurion (Britain)

    (Note: Some data approximate only; subject to update)
    Service Entry 1946
    Weight 46 51 tons ~ (in basic form, depending on variant)
    Top Speed 35 km/h (22 mph) (early versions faster for some later versions)
    Main Armament 17pdr, 20pdr or 105mm gun
    No. Produced 4,400

    For further info, check Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank














    Candidate #46 - M26/46 and M47 (USA)

    (Note: Most data approximate only; subject to update)
    Service Entry 1944/45 (M26); 49/50 (M46); 52/53 (M47)
    Weight 43 - 46 tons ~
    Top Speed 40 km/h (25 mph) (M26); 60 km/h (37 mph) (M47)
    Main Armament 90mm gun
    No. Produced 2,212 M26; 1,160 M46; 9,000 M47

    For further info, see Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Pershing

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M46_Patton

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M47_Patton

    M26


    M46


    M46


    M47





    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!

    97
    Centurion (Britain)
    78.35%
    76
    M26/46 and M47 (USA)
    21.65%
    21

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Skoblin; 24 Jun 14, 01:29.
    "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

  • #2
    The Israeli Centurions have been a favorite of mine. Are they still being held in reserve?

    Pruitt
    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

    by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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    • #3
      No doubts here. Centurions had to be one of the most-used designs in the post-WW2 period.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #4
        The Centurion was the way forward.
        BoRG
        "... and that was the last time they called me Freakboy Moses"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
          The Israeli Centurions have been a favorite of mine. Are they still being held in reserve?

          Pruitt
          No, but APCs based on its chassis are still in active service- Nakpadon, Nagmachon, Puma, Nagmapop, etc.

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          • #6
            My Favourite, the Centurion.

            Paul
            ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
            All human ills he can subdue,
            Or with a bauble or medal
            Can win mans heart for you;
            And many a blessing know to stew
            To make a megloamaniac bright;
            Give honour to the dainty Corse,
            The Pixie is a little shite.

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            • #7
              The Centurion. It proved that Britain could still produce a World-Class tank despite all those indifferent designs manufactured during WW2.
              "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
              Samuel Johnson.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                No doubts here. Centurions had to be one of the most-used designs in the post-WW2 period.
                There were 2202 M26s and over 8500 M47s manufactured compared to just over 4400 Centurions. M47 was also operated by more countries than Centurion if I'm counting correctly. Note that the US was the second-largest purchaser of Centurions behind the British, in order to distribute the tanks to European allies.

                That said, the Centurion lasted much longer in frontline service with more countries and was upgraded to a much larger extent than the majority of M47s. The US viewed M47 as an emergency interim design that was intended to fend off a medium tank shortage that might have occurred in the early 1950s had another global war broken out and if the M48 had not been ready for production. Centurion was intended as more than an interim vehicle, and seemed to receive greater support as far as upgrades go.

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                • #9
                  I have read where the M-26 was evolved into the M-47, which evolved into the M-48 (new turret!). The M-48 evolved into the M-60 (new turret again!). The M-60 turret was a better shape. I don't think the chassis changed much since the M-26. They did change the engines over time.

                  Pruitt
                  Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                  Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                  by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                  • #10
                    M48 featured a new hull and turret design with an elliptical cross-section and elimination of the assistant driver. M47 can be thought of as a modified M46 hull with the turret from the underpowered T42 prototype placed on top; M46 was essentially an M26A1 with a new engine and transmission. M48 was more of a clean sheet.

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                    • #11
                      Centurion, hands down. Just a better design all around.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        There are few designs that can truly be said to have saved a nation. The Israeli Centurions at "the Valley of Tears" can make that claim. Perhaps the best tank ever for defense on rough terrain....
                        Lance W.

                        Peace through superior firepower.

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                        • #13
                          Centurion.
                          No need for any small talk!

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                          • #14
                            Centurion - based on the Israeli experience.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by warmoviebuff View Post
                              Centurion - based on the Israeli experience.
                              ....And Britain, India, Australia, South Africa. In the mountains, veldt, Jungle desert and arctic-like conditions.

                              Paul
                              ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                              All human ills he can subdue,
                              Or with a bauble or medal
                              Can win mans heart for you;
                              And many a blessing know to stew
                              To make a megloamaniac bright;
                              Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                              The Pixie is a little shite.

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