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  • #16
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    "The FT 17 might be called the great grandfather of all modern tanks. ... "

    Couldn't have said it better myself.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      The FT 17 might be called the great grandfather of all modern tanks. It was the first to have a rotating turret and a really good layout for the time. It made economical use of manpower and was relatively easy and cheap to produce.
      The Whippet was a very limited design with a very specialized purpose. Outside that niche at the time it was really a marginal tank.
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      • #18
        Whippet tanks (Britain)

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        • #19
          The Whippets were very good as the basis for tanks that would soon enter WWII. The Renault I was surprised the French had any left in service in 1940 sadly like the Matilda these tanks were taken out like clay pigeons against the German Panzer IIIs.

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          • #20
            The FT-17. Just the concept of having a rotating turret with a main gun was the future of tanks and many armored vehicles forever.
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            • #21
              i read a history about a Whippet tank causing havoc when reach the rearguard of a German infantry division. the crew strafed the hell out, even found plans of the defences!

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              • #22
                French Renault FT17, nice machine.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Merkava188 View Post
                  The Whippets were very good as the basis for tanks that would soon enter WWII. The Renault I was surprised the French had any left in service in 1940 sadly like the Matilda these tanks were taken out like clay pigeons against the German Panzer IIIs.
                  In 1920 Wrangles forces used a small force of whippets that had been upgraded, with Engines and sprung suspensions, to rout Stalin's forces at TThe single most dramatic tank action in 1919 occurred in June at Tsaritsyn (later Stalingrad), a highly fortified city on the Volga which the Don Cossacks had tried to take throughout 1918. Proudly referred to in Bolshevik sources as the "Red Verdun," Tsaritsyn was the supply and communications artery between the southeastern front and Red divisions operating in the Trans-Caspian regions. Seizure by ihe Whites additionally offered the prospect of making contact with Kolchak's left flank west of the Urals.

                  According to White veteran A. Trembovelsky, all 1st Divizion tanks (16) were deployed with Wrangel's Caucasian Army against Tsaritsyn during the second half of June. However, many of these did not see consistent action because of lack of fuel. The main attack occurred on 29 June, with the tanks of 1st Detachment (three Mark Vs) and 4th Detachment (3 Whippets) leading. Two of the tanks broke down during transit, but the other four smashed through the rolls of barbed wire and turned to drag them apart, forcing holes in the wire defenses. White supporting units followed as the tanks moved parallel to the trench lines and cleared away the defenders.

                  The Kuban Cossacks entered Tsaritsyn in force the next day and garnered 40.000 prisoners, 10,000 train wagons, 151 locomotives, 70 guns, 300 machine guns and the armored trains I rn in and Trotsky. Denikin visited the city and on 3 July ordered all units of the Armed Forces of South Russia to advance and take Moscow before Christmas. Meanwhile, the tanks of 1st Divizion transferred to Taganrog to repair and refit.
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                  Last edited by marktwain; 22 Jul 14, 12:18.
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                  • #24
                    Good point

                    Originally posted by Merkava188 View Post
                    The Whippets were very good as the basis for tanks that would soon enter WWII. The Renault I was surprised the French had any left in service in 1940 sadly like the Matilda these tanks were taken out like clay pigeons against the German Panzer IIIs.
                    The whippet had some advantages- hitting a land mine would blow up the engine section, but the crew could escape. the Israeli Merkava tank is built on the 'engine front principle' to protect the crew.

                    1917 technology stretched the fast tank concept to the limits. Wrangele's campaigns in South Russia showed what a Whippet force could accomplish, in theory.

                    The Whippet is more the first armored personnel carrier
                    than the first tank.
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