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  • Quarter-Final - Liberator & Privateer (USA) vs Skytrain/Dakota & Li-2 (USA; SU)

    Round 5 (Quarter-Final):

    Consolidated B-24 Liberator & PB4Y-2 Privateer (USA)
    vs
    Douglas C-47 Skytrain/Dakota & Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)




    Candidate #62 - Consolidated B-24 Liberator & PB4Y-2 Privateer (USA)

    Service Intro - 1941
    Roles - heavy bomber; maritime patrol; anti-shipping; S&R; tanker; transport; recon; ECM & SIGINT
    Quantity Produced - 19,221
    User Nations - USA + at least 15 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consol...B-24_Liberator
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consol...4Y-2_Privateer









    Candidate #76 - Douglas C-47* Skytrain/Dakota & Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)
    (*For tournament purposes, deemed to include all variants of this same basic airframe including Soviet/Russian & Japanese production.)

    Service Intro - 1942
    Roles - airliner; general transport; VIP/liaison; paratroop; ambulance; search & rescue; glider & target tug; trainer; maritime patrol; photo recon; light bomber; carrier ops; gunship; ELINT & EW
    Quantity Produced - 18,000 (approx.)
    User Nations - USA + about 100 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C-47_Skytrain
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisunov_Li-2
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa/Nakajima_L2D








    Will you vote for the Liberator/Privateer or the Skytrain/Dakota & Li-2?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the Semi-Final!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    87
    Consolidated B-24 Liberator & PB4Y-2 Privateer (USA)
    29.89%
    26
    Douglas C-47 Skytrain/Dakota & Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)
    70.11%
    61

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 06 Mar 16, 11:24.
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

  • #2
    Skytrain, and easily at that.
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    • #3
      I dont see it that easy. What makes it hard for me is the MULTI role. Its the best Transport and stuff and that for ages, but the B24 was decisive in many campaigns/Theaters. I tend to vote Sky but wait for your arguments first

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      • #4
        I have gone aboard both types, Liberator and Privateer. I think the C 47 is still flying and more influential.

        Pruitt
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        • #5
          While the DC-3 was soon made redundant on main routes by more advanced types such as the Douglas DC-6 and Lockheed Constellation, the design continued to prove exceptionally adaptable and useful. Large numbers continued to see service in a wide variety of niche roles well into the 21st century. Approximately 400 DC-3s and converted C-47s are still flying to this day as a testament to the durability of the design, many examples being over 70 years old.[
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
            While the DC-3 was soon made redundant on main routes by more advanced types such as the Douglas DC-6 and Lockheed Constellation, the design continued to prove exceptionally adaptable and useful. Large numbers continued to see service in a wide variety of niche roles well into the 21st century. Approximately 400 DC-3s and converted C-47s are still flying to this day as a testament to the durability of the design, many examples being over 70 years old.[
            One reason for the popularity and longevity appears to have been the ease with which maintenance could be carried out on airfields lacking the expensive specialised facilities available in major airports and air bases.
            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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            • #7


              How many aircrafts can land after that much damage. C47 all the way
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              • #8
                Originally posted by andrewza View Post


                How many aircrafts can land after that much damage. C47 all the way
                Any aircraft can land after that much damage - it's being able to stay aloft and then do a safe landing that counts! However playing devils advocate one could ask was it being old and slow that put the Dakota in a position to sustain that damage in he first place?
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  Other aircraft have landed with similar damage or worse.
                  Impressive testimony for a civilian design aircraft, but by itself it bears small relevance to how significant/influential the C47 was. But that's my opinion.
                  "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rutger View Post
                    Other aircraft have landed with similar damage or worse.
                    Impressive testimony for a civilian design aircraft, but by itself it bears small relevance to how significant/influential the C47 was. But that's my opinion.
                    There are photos of aircraft with worse damage that made it back from Germany, across the North Sea and still landed so the injured crew could be collected for treatment. This includes a Whitley piloted by a certain Guy Gibson that had almost all one side of the fuselage and tail stripped bare over Cologne
                    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                      Any aircraft can land after that much damage - it's being able to stay aloft and then do a safe landing that counts! However playing devils advocate one could ask was it being old and slow that put the Dakota in a position to sustain that damage in he first place?
                      At the time it was no older or slower than you.
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #12
                        It kills me to vote against the Liberator, but against the Gooney Bird? No contest


                        Susie
                        Will no one tell me what she sings?--
                        Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow
                        For old, unhappy, far-off things,
                        And battles long ago:
                        -William Wordsworth, "The Solitary Reaper"

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                        • #13
                          I voted for the Rosinenbomber
                          One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

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                          • #14
                            It's all in the way the question is posed..
                            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by andrewza View Post


                              How many aircrafts can land after that much damage. C47 all the way
                              At least one, and it's the one in this poll







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