Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Rnd 4 Grp EF - Lockheed P-38 Lightning (USA) vs De Havilland Mosquito (Britain)

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Rnd 4 Grp EF - Lockheed P-38 Lightning (USA) vs De Havilland Mosquito (Britain)

    Round 4, Group EF:

    Lockheed P-38 Lightning (USA)
    vs
    De Havilland Mosquito (Britain)




    Candidate #68 Lockheed P-38 Lightning (USA)

    Service Intro - 1941
    Roles - long-range fighter; night fighter; ground attack; pathfinder; recon; trainer
    Quantity Produced - 10,036
    User Nations - USA + at least 10 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-38_Lightning









    Candidate #75 - De Havilland Mosquito (Britain)

    Service Intro - 1942
    Roles - bomber; fighter-bomber; day & night fighter/interceptor; pathfinder; maritime strike; special & precision ops; recon; fast transport; carrier-based torpedo bomber; trainer; target tug
    Quantity Produced - 7,781
    User Nations - Britain + 20 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito








    Will you vote Lockheed or De Havilland?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    92
    Lockheed P-38 Lightning (USA)
    17.39%
    16
    De Havilland Mosquito (Britain)
    82.61%
    76

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 21 Feb 16, 00:53.
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

  • #2
    Both were influential. As long as you did not dogfight with single engine fighters, the Lightning did well. I went with the Mosquito this time.

    Pruitt
    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

    by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

    Comment


    • #3
      Both beautiful and influential machines. Both were technologically advanced for their day.

      both did missions that other fighter couldn't.

      YET...Lightnings in europe were not very influential, and Mosquitos in the Pacific had glue problems...
      ARRRRGGHHHHH!

      ABSTAIN. Mark will sail in here and tell us all about it, whrn he gets out of bed.

      Mark? Your Wonderbird is being circled....
      My Articles, ALMOST LIVE, exclusive to The Armchair!

      Soviet Submarines in WW2....The Mythology of Shiloh....(Edited) Both Sides of the Warsaw Ghetto
      GULAG Glossary....Who Really Killed The Red Baron?....Pearl Harbor At 75
      Lincoln-Douglas Debates

      Comment


      • #4
        Love the P38, but love the 'Mosquito' more!

        A B17 load of bombs to Berlin, come home on one engine and some even did that twice a night with a fresh crew.

        Even used as a VIP transport to Sweden? etc.
        The PLO claims ALL of Israel!!! There will and can NEVER be a "2 State solution".

        Comment


        • #5
          I'm biased - my wife's dad was a master chippy on the prototype Mosquito. However that said I do think that the Mosquito had a broader range of roles than the Lightning, partly down to having a bomb bay in which you could put things. As a kid I was taken to see Mosquitoes land and take off from Sywell in Northamptonshire miserable brat that I was I was disappointed because they weren't jets and more interested in the local open air swimming pool.
          Possibly not relevant but did you know that the Mosquito was the reason why SAS Landrovers were painted pink? A Mosquito airframe was abandoned near a North African airstrip post war and used to be a landmark for aircraft flying to that strip. Then one day it 'vanished'. It turned out that the sand filled winds had effectively sandpapered the surfaces until only the pink undercoat on the wood remained at which point it became invisible from the air. Some bright spark picked up on this and SAS Landrovers began being painted the same colour.
          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

          Comment


          • #6
            Tough pairing. Sometimes I think Paul just wants to torture us. I'm a woodworker so I'll go Mosquito.
            John

            Play La Marseillaise. Play it!

            Comment


            • #7
              I'm going to take one for the team. If we add all the people that were leaning a little towards the Lightning, but gave a nod to the Mosquito then you end up with my vote!

              Comment


              • #8
                The Mosquito was by far the more influential and significant aircraft.

                By the way Paul! The Mosquito did escort duties and was also a fighter The Mk II was the fighter variant.

                Paul
                Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 21 Feb 16, 22:54.
                ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                All human ills he can subdue,
                Or with a bauble or medal
                Can win mans heart for you;
                And many a blessing know to stew
                To make a megloamaniac bright;
                Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                The Pixie is a little shite.

                Comment


                • #9
                  The Mosquito was very influential in convincing air powers that wood and glue sucks. Big time.
                  Flag: USA / Location: West Coast

                  Prayers.

                  BoRG

                  http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8757/snap1ws8.jpg

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PtsX_Z3CMU

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Mosquito all the way on this one.
                    "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                    Ernest Hemingway.

                    "The more I learn about people, The more I love my dog".
                    Mark Twain.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                      " ... By the way Paul! The Mosquito did escort duties and was also a fighter The Mk II was the fighter variant. ... "
                      Did you not see this, posted in the OP as part of the role set for the Mosquito? (My bold for emphasis):
                      " ... day & night fighter/interceptor ... "
                      That bit (the day fighter part) is deemed by me to include the variant you mention. And no, I didn't just put it there! It's been there since at least Round 2, IIRC.
                      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                      Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                        Did you not see this, posted in the OP as part of the role set for the Mosquito? (My bold for emphasis):

                        That bit (the day fighter part) is deemed by me to include the variant you mention. And no, I didn't just put it there! It's been there since at least Round 2, IIRC.
                        Yeah! sorry mate!

                        Paul
                        Last edited by panther3485; 22 Feb 16, 02:33. Reason: adjusting quote because we were both writing at the same time
                        ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                        All human ills he can subdue,
                        Or with a bauble or medal
                        Can win mans heart for you;
                        And many a blessing know to stew
                        To make a megloamaniac bright;
                        Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                        The Pixie is a little shite.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                          Yeah! sorry mate!

                          Paul
                          Nulli problemicus!
                          I recall reading an intense debate on that very point, between your good self and another ACG member not so long ago; so I wanted to make sure I got it right.
                          Besides, I love the Mossie with a passion so I'd never intentionally "chop the throttles" without due cause.
                          Last edited by panther3485; 22 Feb 16, 02:40.
                          "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                          Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            The Mosquito. The Lightning was nice to have and versatile, but the Mosquito more so, and with a bigger payload. Also, trying to hunt Mosquitoes was one of the factors that drove German late-war fighter development, and those fighters were very influential...
                            Michele

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              OK...

                              The Sand Pink Camoflage story does it for me.

                              AND the fact that nearly every model builder I have ever run across has a completed Mossie kit, or has gotten rid of one through poor handling.

                              The Mosquito is a postwar phenomenon that the Lightning is not.

                              But the Lightning just looks so much more of a warbird than the Moz..

                              Moz for me...
                              My Articles, ALMOST LIVE, exclusive to The Armchair!

                              Soviet Submarines in WW2....The Mythology of Shiloh....(Edited) Both Sides of the Warsaw Ghetto
                              GULAG Glossary....Who Really Killed The Red Baron?....Pearl Harbor At 75
                              Lincoln-Douglas Debates

                              Comment

                              Latest Topics

                              Collapse

                              Working...
                              X