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  • Rnd 4 Grp EF - Douglas Dakota/Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU) vs Douglas A-1 Skyraider (USA)

    Round 4, Group EF:

    Douglas C-47 Skytrain/Dakota & Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)
    vs
    Douglas A-1 Skyraider (USA)




    Candidate #76 - Douglas C-47* Skytrain/Dakota & Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)
    (*For tournament purposes, deemed to include all variants of this same basic airframe including Soviet/Russian & Japanese production.)

    Service Intro - 1942
    Roles - airliner; general transport; VIP/liaison; paratroop; ambulance; search & rescue; glider & target tug; trainer; maritime patrol; photo recon; light bomber; carrier ops; gunship; ELINT & EW
    Quantity Produced - 18,000 (approx.)
    User Nations - USA + about 100 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C-47_Skytrain
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisunov_Li-2
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa/Nakajima_L2D









    Candidate #90 - Douglas A-1 Skyraider (USA)

    Service Intro - 1946
    Roles - ground attack; helicopter escort; AEW & ECM; ASW, VIP transport, ambulance, recon, target tug
    Quantity Produced - 3,180
    User Nations - USA + 10 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-1_Skyraider








    Will you vote for the Dakota or the Skyraider?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    90
    Douglas C-47 Skytrain/Dakota & Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)
    85.56%
    77
    Douglas A-1 Skyraider (USA)
    14.44%
    13

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 26 Feb 16, 08:24.
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  • #2
    The Gooney Bird was used in more ways, plus it is still being flown!

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    • #3
      The Great gooney Bird continues its unbroken run. The eventual last round contestant for the "Dak" is going to have to be very good indeed to match it!
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      • #4
        I went with the Skyraider because it was a piston engine fighter-bomber in the jet era and did just fine.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by johns624 View Post
          I went with the Skyraider because it was a piston engine fighter-bomber in the jet era and did just fine.
          What's that got to do with anything?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by MarkV View Post
            What's that got to do with anything?
            I can understand that. I'd say its similar to cheering for the guy in the shooting match that's using a flintlock...just cause.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by johns624 View Post
              I went with the Skyraider because it was a piston engine fighter-bomber in the jet era and did just fine.
              Dakto is/was piston and used in the jet age. It did more than fine.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                What's that got to do with anything?
                Easy. That shows how versatile and agile it was. It should have been parked in the desert but it just did so many jobs so well.

                Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                Dakto is/was piston and used in the jet age. It did more than fine.
                Yes, but at that time, props were the norm for transport planes. You have to look at what the plane started out as, not always what it evolved into. I voted for the Hercules and couldn't see also voting for the 47.

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                • #9
                  Ooh, I hate voting against the Spad, but against the Gooney Bird, no contest

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Desiree Clary View Post
                    Ooh, I hate voting against the Spad, but against the Gooney Bird, no contest

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                    The Spad is one I'd like to have seen gone further in this 'poll'. Though not in "service", there are a few still flying. One with the local museum/collection up this way.

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                    • #11
                      I see the C-47 making it to the finals here.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                        I went with the Skyraider because it was a piston engine fighter-bomber in the jet era and did just fine.
                        The SPAD was also actually a multi-role aircraft.

                        The A-1 Skyraider was an escort fighter-bomber, a bomber, a torpedo bomber, an electronic warfare aircraft, ASW, a gunship, CAS and a transport.

                        The C-47 was a transport that could operate as a gunship or ELINT aircraft at night and only in a permissive environment. A-1's escorted the attempted Son Tay POW rescue mission deep into a very non-permissive environment.

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                        • #13
                          Supporters of the airplane liked to quote a remark attributed to Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Four things won the Second World War-the bazooka, the Jeep, the atom bomb, and the C-47 Gooney Bird."
                          http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...craft/c-47.htm

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by At ease View Post
                            Which has nothing to do with multi role.

                            Logistics may win wars, however in WWII the C-47 was just a transport.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                              Which has nothing to do with multi role.
                              But has everything to do with significant and influential

                              Logistics may win wars, however in WWII the C-47 was just a transport.
                              This poll isn't just about WW2 and the aircraft played many roles in its long service.
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