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  • Rnd 3 Grp CD - Short Sunderland (Britain) vs Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA)

    Round 3, Group CD:

    Short Sunderland (Britain)
    vs
    Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA)





    Candidate #48 - Short Sunderland (Britain)

    Service Intro - 1938
    Roles - long-range maritime patrol; anti-submarine; air-sea rescue; recon; transport; airliner
    Quantity Produced - 749
    User Nations - Britain, Australia, Canada, France, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, South Africa

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Sunderland










    Candidate #60 - Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA)

    Service Intro - 1940
    Roles - scout/recon; convoy escort; artillery spotting; dive bomber; anti-submarine; liaison; air-sea rescue
    Quantity Produced - 1,519
    User Nations - USA, Australia, Britain, Chile, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Netherlands, Uruguay

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_OS2U_Kingfisher








    Will you vote for the Sunderland or the Kingfisher?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    83
    Short Sunderland (Britain)
    78.31%
    65
    Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA)
    21.69%
    18

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 08 Feb 16, 08:26.
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  • #2
    This was a difficult choice. The difference was one spotted for friendly Battleships and the other spotted for enemy submarines. Other roles are basically the same.

    Given that the strategic success is more important the tactical success I went Short, but numbers very nearly decided otherwise.
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    • #3
      That one was easy for me. Flying Porcupine is the obvious choice. IMO.
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      • #4
        I went Short.

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        • #5
          Short a well, but the Kingfisher would offer the most enjoyment to fly in.
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #6
            flying porcupine for me. bounced by eight Ju-88C, shooting down 4, 2 probable, and only 2 could reach it's base!

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            • #7
              Wicked matchup!

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              • #8
                Everyone mentions the Sunderland's pivotal role in WW2 but one should also not forget the sterling job it did in the Berlin Airlift taking goods in and refugee children out. One vital commodity that Berlin was running out of was salt used in many things essential to life (saline drips for example but also food preservation,water purification and conditioning). The Sunderland was the only aircraft used in the airlift with a clearance to carry salt (highly corrosive) because of its sea going abilities.
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                • #9
                  Gave it to the Sunderland for its key role in crushing the U-Boats.
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                  • #10
                    Despite the Kingfisher being a very useful multi-role floatplane built in double the numbers of the Sunderland, helping to close the Atlantic Gap and fighting U-Boats clinches it for me.

                    Sunderland all the way.
                    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
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                    • #11
                      Another pair of "also rans." Half dozen of one, six of the other.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        Another pair of "also rans." Half dozen of one, six of the other.
                        I'd certainly agree that the Kingfisher was an also-ran, being but one of many floatplanes, catapult launchable, amphibious capabilities, could carry a few bombs/depth charges.
                        But in no sense of the phrase, could the Sunderland be described as an also-ran.
                        Submarine killer, air to air kills (I wonder how many of those the Kingfisher claimed?).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pzkpfw-e View Post
                          I'd certainly agree that the Kingfisher was an also-ran, being but one of many floatplanes, catapult launchable, amphibious capabilities, could carry a few bombs/depth charges.
                          .
                          Don't think that being able to be fitted with a wheeled undercart as an alternative to the float counts as amphibious.
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