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  • Rnd 2 Grp AB - Heinkel He 111 (Germany) vs Bristol Blenheim (Britain)

    Round 2, Group AB:

    Heinkel He 111 (Germany)
    vs
    Bristol Blenheim (Britain)




    Candidate #25 - Heinkel He 111 (Germany)

    Service Intro - 1936
    Roles - passenger plane; medium bomber; anti-shipping/torpedo bomber; transport; glider tug
    Quantity Produced - 6,508
    User Nations - Germany + at least 10 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_111










    Candidate #31 - Bristol Blenheim (Britain)

    Service Intro - 1937
    Roles - light bomber; long-range fighter; night fighter; maritime patrol; target tug
    Quantity Produced - 4,422
    User Nations - Britain + about 15 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Blenheim









    Will you vote for the He 111 or the Blenheim?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    85
    Heinkel He 111 (Germany)
    64.71%
    55
    Bristol Blenheim (Britain)
    35.29%
    30

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 17 Jan 16, 02:41.
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

  • #2
    The He111. For many reasons, and for Lemmy.
    ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

    BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

    BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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    • #3
      What would the London Blitz be without the 111?
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        Hang on, hang on!

        The RAF's "maid of all early wartime work".

        The He-111 might have been popular, (principally because most of the crew were all together), but the 111 has "passenger plane" and "transport" as seperate. IMOH, that should be one role!

        Blenhiem please. the 111 might have been a tough aircraft for it's day, but it was not much of a multi role design.
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        • #5
          Hm, tough call, German's most useless bomber vs. the Blenheim. Never mind,not so tough

          Susie
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
            " ... The He-111 might have been popular, (principally because most of the crew were all together), but the 111 has "passenger plane" and "transport" as seperate. IMOH, that should be one role! ... "
            Carrying passengers and carrying cargo are two separate roles both in my own opinion and in this tournament. On that particular point, I don't even care if reference books say otherwise.
            If I have inadvertently combined these two roles anywhere, please let me know and I'll fix that.
            "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
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            • #7
              I don't know of He 111s serving as heavy fighters. I like them, but the Blenheim has been there, done that, too. I vote for the Blenheim.
              Michele

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                What would the London Blitz be without the 111?
                very quiet
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                  What would the London Blitz be without the 111?
                  Yeah - but that would be one role.
                  Michele

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                  • #10
                    The most interesting role for Heinkels I came across is their use in Eisenbahnbekämpfungstaffeln, that is train busting units. Operating on the Eastern Front a number of these specialist units were formed.
                    14.(Eis)/KG 55 was one that used specially modified Heinkel 111s.
                    Weapons were upgraded thusly: There are a total of six 20mm forward firing cannon. (nose gun, 2 installed in the bomb aimers area shooting through the lower glass area, which has been replace with sheet metal on that side, two in the right side of the bomb bay and the last single cannon in the lower gondola, hand operated

                    Pictures are hard to come by but here's one of the few I've found.


                    The aircraft were also fitted with special altimeters to allow them to fly lower to attack their targets.
                    Last edited by CarpeDiem; 18 Jan 16, 11:03.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                      Hang on, hang on!

                      The RAF's "maid of all early wartime work".

                      The He-111 might have been popular, (principally because most of the crew were all together), but the 111 has "passenger plane" and "transport" as seperate. IMOH, that should be one role!
                      The air craft was used as a cargo carrier - 1 role
                      and as an airliner - 2nd role
                      I'd also add airborne missile launcher for those V1 launches from the North Sea

                      BTW almost all German bomber crews were together as this was a design requirement. It was thought that it improved morale and co-ordination.
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                        The air craft was used as a cargo carrier - 1 role
                        and as an airliner - 2nd role
                        I'd also add airborne missile launcher for those V1 launches from the North Sea

                        BTW almost all German bomber crews were together as this was a design requirement. It was thought that it improved morale and co-ordination.
                        Launch aircraft for the V-1, Hs 293 and other missiles as well.

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                        • #13
                          Blenheim was used as a heavy fighter, but He-111Z glider tug had TWIN fuselages! i have the 1/72 italery kit, it's HUGE, imagine the real one?

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                          • #14
                            Kurt, wasn't this tug specifically for the Me-323 Gigant, and then dropped due to the number of accidents?

                            The Gigant was fitted with engines eventually, for this very reason. Didn't they try a triple tug arrangement with x3 Me-11os at first.

                            No matter what the Gigant did as a glider, taking off with a full load was always going to be dangerous as a glider.

                            I wonder how this arrangment might have worked as a fourengined bomber, for nighttime only? Probably more successfully than as a glider tug!
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                            • #15
                              I went Heinkel.

                              Pruitt
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