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  • Rnd 2 Grp GH - Lockheed C-130 Hercules (USA) vs Northrop F-5 & Tiger II (USA)

    Round 2, Group GH:

    Lockheed C-130 Hercules (USA)
    vs
    Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II (USA)




    Candidate #98 - Lockheed C-130 Hercules (USA)

    Service Intro - 1955
    Roles - transport; paratroop; medevac; bomber; gunship; S&R; maritime patrol; ECM & ELINT; clandestine ops; firefighting; tanker
    Quantity Produced - 2,600 (approx.)
    User Nations - USA + more than 70 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules









    Candidate #112 - Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II (USA)

    Service Intro - 1964
    Roles - light fighter; ground attack; recon; trainer/adversary
    Quantity Produced - 2,246
    User Nations - USA + at least 35 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5







    A very dissimilar pairing here; but still ...
    Will you vote for the C-130 or the F-5?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    81
    Lockheed C-130 Hercules (USA)
    93.83%
    76
    Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II (USA)
    6.17%
    5

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 17 Jan 16, 03:56.
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  • #2
    This one hurts, the F-5 was, no doubt influencial, I appreciate your hard work putting this together. But man, your killing me here,
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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    • #3
      Herky bird. Nothing else compares

      Susie
      Will no one tell me what she sings?--
      Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow
      For old, unhappy, far-off things,
      And battles long ago:
      -William Wordsworth, "The Solitary Reaper"

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      • #4
        This one appears to be close.
        John

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        • #5
          Well, if I were flying in a Herky, and was being attacked by F-5 s I may feel different.
          It is like comparing a aircraft carrier to a PT Boat.
          Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
            " ... It is like comparing a aircraft carrier to a PT Boat."
            ... and if we finish up with two completely different types of aircraft against each other in the Final - which is very possible - what will we all do then?

            Dissimilar pairings are painful and difficult but having some of them is unavoidable by any reasonable means in this tournament.

            Each time it occurs, I say to myself,
            "OK, these are two very different types of aircraft but fundamentally the essential question remains the same: Which of them had the greatest significance and/or influence as a multi-role platform?"

            I don't believe in waiting for the later Rounds or the Final to do this kind of mental exercise. And we can't avoid having some odd pairings in the earlier rounds anyway; so we need to do it from the get-go. Practise makes better.

            (Not picking on you, btw; and not saying you object because you seem to be simply making an observation and there's nothing wrong with that. Just using this as an example of the same point a number of members have raised; and answering for them all. )
            Last edited by panther3485; 18 Jan 16, 03:43.
            "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
            Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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            • #7
              Herk beats F-5; heck, the Herk may go on to (semi)-finals.
              "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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              • #8
                F5. While as a plane the Hercules may be more influential it wasn't really much of a mult role aircraft.
                "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                  F5. While as a plane the Hercules may be more influential it wasn't really much of a mult role aircraft.
                  You're kidding me? The F-5 is a fighter-bomber and not much more. There's a version of the C-130 for literally every aircraft role except fighter.
                  "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                  • #10
                    One thing an F-5 can do that a Herkybird can't is provide fighter cover for the airforce's of countries that cannot afford anything else.

                    You can always find a copy of the Herc anywhere you please. But finding a fighter to fit you national budget was a strain for countries like Malysia, or Taiwan.

                    I'm not going to complain about pairing. Multi role capability is the issue, so I should probably vote for the Herc.

                    And, in a bit of remorseless toadying, it IS Panther's favourite.

                    So its the C-130 for me, principally because this is the only military aircraft apart from a Caibou that I've actually spent some time in. As air cadets, we got the rare privelage of sitting in a C-130 whilst our pilots in training did something the RAF calls 'circuits and bumps'.

                    After the 25th simultanious landing and takeoff, the novelty wore off for the passengers. And the "seats" wore welts in our arses. We did get to visit the cockpit many times. You can stand below and look up on a Herc without interfearing or distracting the pilots.

                    So, its the Hercules for me.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                      ... and if we finish up with two completely different types of aircraft against each other in the Final - which is very possible - what will we all do then?

                      Dissimilar pairings are painful and difficult but having some of them is unavoidable by any reasonable means in this tournament.

                      Each time it occurs, I say to myself,
                      "OK, these are two very different types of aircraft but fundamentally the essential question remains the same: Which of them had the greatest significance and/or influence as a multi-role platform?"

                      I don't believe in waiting for the later Rounds or the Final to do this kind of mental exercise. And we can't avoid having some odd pairings in the earlier rounds anyway; so we need to do it from the get-go. Practise makes better.

                      (Not picking on you, btw; and not saying you object because you seem to be simply making an observation and there's nothing wrong with that. Just using this as an example of the same point a number of members have raised; and answering for them all. )
                      It wasn't a complaint, it was am observation.
                      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                      • #12
                        Hercules!

                        Pruitt
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                          F5. While as a plane the Hercules may be more influential it wasn't really much of a mult role aircraft.
                          ygbfjm!!!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                            It wasn't a complaint, it was am observation.
                            Yeah, I know my friend (I said so in the last line).
                            Like I mentioned already, not picking on you as a member; just using your post as an example to illustrate the same general point made by a number of members, and my response to that.
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                            Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                              F5. While as a plane the Hercules may be more influential it wasn't really much of a mult role aircraft.
                              The following is a short article, so I will take the liberty of quoting a large part of it.

                              The legendary C-130 Hercules is one of the—if
                              not the —most successful military aircraft of all
                              time. This versatile Lockheed-built workhorse has
                              performed more kinds of missions, by more air
                              arms, in more wartime and peacetime operations,
                              for more years, than has any other airplane. It
                              has been in continuous production for its first
                              user—USAF—since 1954.
                              The four-engine turboprop Hercules was conceived
                              as a simple, rugged tactical lifter able to use short
                              and rough runways. Though designed for trans-
                              port, it has taken on many other roles, modified
                              into the AC-130 gunship, EC-130 electronic combat
                              aircraft, KC-130 aerial tanker, MC-130 series of
                              special operations forces transports, and more.
                              It has been used for airborne assault, combat
                              search and rescue, aeromedical evacuation,
                              weather recon, maritime patrol, and firefighting.
                              “The Herk” is vividly associated with Vietnam.
                              It has, however, flown in virtually all US military
                              and humanitarian operations of the past six
                              decades. Its service life is nowhere near an end;
                              USAF plans to keep acquiring the C-130J-30 for
                              years to come.

                              Interesting Facts
                              Flown by USAF, USMC, USN, USCG
                              e
                              boasts longest continuous
                              production run (1954-present) of any military aircraft

                              e
                              chased, in first
                              flight, by Lockheed designer Kelly Johnson in P2V
                              e
                              featured in 1968
                              film “Green Berets” and 1997’s “Air Force One”
                              e
                              flew secret mission
                              to Lop Nor, China’s nuclear test site (1969)
                              e
                              holds record as the
                              largest and heaviest aircraft to land on aircraft carrier

                              e
                              led formations
                              of B-57 bombers over North Vietnam
                              e
                              used by Pakistan as heavy
                              bombers in 1965 Indo-Pakistani War

                              e
                              nicknamed “Herk,” “Herky
                              Bird,” “Fat Albert”
                              e
                              dropped BLU-82 “Daisy Cutter” and GBU-43/B
                              MOAB, world’s largest conventional bombs, in 1991 Gulf War

                              —Robert S. Dudney with Walter J. Boyne

                              http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...15classics.pdf

                              Last edited by At ease; 19 Jan 16, 08:10.
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