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  • Rnd 1 Grp B - Consolidated PBY Catalina (USA) vs Grumman J2F Duck (USA)

    Round 1, Group B: Consolidated PBY Catalina (USA) vs Grumman J2F Duck (USA)




    Candidate #23 - Consolidated PBY Catalina (USA)

    Service Intro - 1936
    Roles - maritime patrol; convoy escort; anti-submarine/naval interdiction; search & rescue; ELINT; transport/general purpose
    Quantity Produced - 3,305
    User Nations - USA + at least 30 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina








    Candidate #24 - Grumman J2F Duck (USA)

    Service Intro - 1936
    Roles - recon/scouting; anti-submarine; air-sea rescue; light transport & general untility
    Quantity Produced - 641
    User Nations - USA, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, Peru

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_J2F_Duck








    Will you vote for the Catalina or the Duck?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    83
    Consolidated PBY Catalina (USA)
    91.57%
    76
    Grumman J2F Duck (USA)
    8.43%
    7

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 16 Dec 15, 06:23.
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

  • #2
    The Duck is a fine aircraft for its role, but I went Catalina.
    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

    by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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    • #3
      Both very fine and effective aircraft but I'm choosing the Catalina (a) because it has more of almost everything including production numbers by a long shot; and (b) because I like it.
      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
      Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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      • #4
        PBY Cat, one of my all time favorites and what to haves.
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #5
          PBY's flew so many different missions, and for so long they are hard to bet in the true meaning of 'multi role".
          Transport, anti sub, reconn, long rang patrol as part of CAP early warning. Even ground attack and bombing mission, as well as a flying hospital.
          Don't forget the most important mission if your shop had sunk, sea rescue.
          Last edited by Urban hermit; 15 Dec 15, 10:24.
          Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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          • #6
            I love the Duck but had to vote for the PBY.

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            • #7
              You might add ELINT to the PBY as Catalina's were used in the Aleutian and Solomon Islands, among other places, to map Japanese radar stations. They saw limited use in that role in the Med too.

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              • #8
                A tribute to the 'Black Cats'

                Credo quia absurdum.


                Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                  .
                  Don't forget the most important mission if your shop had sunk, sea rescue.
                  Especially if you had been clinging to the counter for hours
                  Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                  Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                  • #10
                    Catalina
                    History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Napoleon Bonaparte
                    _________
                    BoRG
                    __________
                    "I am Arthur, King of the Britons!"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      You might add ELINT to the PBY as Catalina's were used in the Aleutian and Solomon Islands, among other places, to map Japanese radar stations. They saw limited use in that role in the Med too.
                      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        You might add ELINT to the PBY as Catalina's were used in the Aleutian and Solomon Islands, among other places, to map Japanese radar stations. They saw limited use in that role in the Med too.
                        Can anyone point me to a reference here?
                        (Not saying I don't believe you - you are very likely correct - but I always check just in case somebody else challenges me later. I checked all your others out OK but didn't see a reference for this one.)
                        "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                        Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                          Can anyone point me to a reference here?
                          (Not saying I don't believe you - you are very likely correct - but I always check just in case somebody else challenges me later. I checked all your others out OK but didn't see a reference for this one.)
                          The History of US Electronic Warfare vol I, Alfred Price, Association of Old Crows, 1989

                          There are photos of some of the planes plus narrative of the crews who flew the missions along with maps.

                          I did try to find photos on line.

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                          • #14
                            I went Catalina. It's impact on the war is phenomenal and its adoption by other nations' militaries is testament to its abilities.

                            Cheers

                            Porty

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              The History of US Electronic Warfare vol I, Alfred Price, Association of Old Crows, 1989

                              There are photos of some of the planes plus narrative of the crews who flew the missions along with maps.

                              I did try to find photos on line.
                              That's good enough for me. ELINT added for the Catalina.
                              Thanks for your pointers in some of these matches.
                              "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                              Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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