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  • Rnd 1 Grp C - Hawker Hurricane (Britain) vs Messerschmitt Bf 110 (Germany)

    Round 1, Group C: Hawker Hurricane (Britain) vs Messerschmitt Bf 110 (Germany)





    Candidate #35 - Hawker Hurricane (Britain)

    Service Intro - 1937
    Roles - interceptor; fighter-bomber (land & carrier-based); night fighter & intruder; trainer
    Quantity Produced - 14,449
    User Nations - Britain + more than 20 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hurricane










    Candidate #45 - Messerschmitt Bf 110 (Germany)

    Service Intro - 1938
    Roles - long-range fighter; interceptor/night fighter; fighter-bomber
    Quantity Produced - 6,050
    User Nations - Germany, Croatia, Hungary, Italy, Romania

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_110









    Will you vote for the Hurricane or the Bf 110?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    92
    Hawker Hurricane (Britain)
    52.17%
    48
    Messerschmitt Bf 110 (Germany)
    47.83%
    44

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 21 Dec 15, 05:36.
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  • #2
    Comparatively, the Hurricane had really only two roles in WW 2:

    It was a day fighter and later a fighter bomber. For a short period it was modified as a carrier fighter, but mostly out of expediency and desperation rather than as a really viable design.
    It's construction was antiquated even in 1939 for a modern fighter, canvas covering of much of the fuselage having been pretty much universally ended by then in favor of wood or aluminum, both of which are superior materials for surviving damage. The claim that shells or bullets would just pass through the canvas leaving a whole ignores that it will rip and continue to enlarge in the plane's slipstream. The proof of that is everyone abandoning canvas covered controls and surfaces on aircraft.

    Its career as a night fighter was relatively brief and it was never fitted with radar operationally.

    Production ended in September 1944, before the war ended, giving you some indication of the obsolescence of the design.

    The Me 110 started off as a "Zestörer" heavy day fighter and long range escort. It was only moderately successful in that role.
    The D model saw it morph into a light bomber / multi-engine attack aircraft carrying as much as 2,500 lbs. of bombs. The mixed cannon machinegun armament made it even more effective in that role. The F and G models added nightfighter, reconnaissance, and weapons carrier to the list.
    As a nightfighter the Me 110 remained an effective and even preferred mount right to the end of the war.
    The G2 / R1 and 2 saw it mount extra 20mm or a 3.7cm cannon for bomber and tank busting.
    The G3 was a long range reconnaissance fighter with cameras replacing the 20mm internal armament.

    On the whole, the Me 110 was far and away a more useful and widely used multirole aircraft than the Hurricane which might be best characterized as a British "P-40."

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    • #3
      Here is an example of two good designs that were outshown by better designs. I had to go with the Bf 110 it was more significant. Also I am thinking about all those Hurricanes shot down by Japanese Fighters, some of them Claudes!
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      • #4
        The 110 was overall the better aircraft, but again this poll isn't about the best it's about the most significant/influential and the Hurricane nails it.
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        • #5
          Bf-110, cos it did more.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            On the whole, the Me 110 was far and away a more useful and widely used multirole aircraft than the Hurricane which might be best characterized as a British "P-40."
            Yup, the Germans spent the whole war trying to find a good use for the 110...

            But in the end, I guess it wins, just because it showed just about every different way you could rig up the same old crate.
            I'm sure that a lot of people took notice of that.

            Damn, you don't think this awful thing will win the contest, do you?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
              Yup, the Germans spent the whole war trying to find a good use for the 110...

              But in the end, I guess it wins, just because it showed just about every different way you could rig up the same old crate.
              I'm sure that a lot of people took notice of that.

              Damn, you don't think this awful thing will win the contest, do you?
              I'm fairly close to this with my own opinion. The Hurricane did very well and more than twice as many Hurricanes were built compared to the Bf 110. However, in the final analysis I think the latter was closer to being truly effective as a multi-role military aircraft. So for me, it's the 110 albeit by a "fair" margin rather than a massive one.

              @ Exo - I think the Bf 110 might manage another Round or two, or maybe even three; but I'd estimate the odds as heavily against it being the outright winner. But I've been wrong before. I guess we'll see as things unfold.
              Last edited by panther3485; 15 Dec 15, 10:01.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                Yup, the Germans spent the whole war trying to find a good use for the 110...

                But in the end, I guess it wins, just because it showed just about every different way you could rig up the same old crate.
                That's it. If we were talking about "fighter", I'd vote the Hurricane every day of the week and twice on Sundays. But multi-role... it's the Bf 110.
                Michele

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                • #9
                  Quantity of roles > quality of role = Me 110

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                  • #10
                    The Germans put all their best pilots into the 110s of 1939-40. What a terrible waste.

                    Still, the 110 must get the nod for utility in multi role. It really was a great night fighter, though, and this is how I think it will be remembered. Not as a daylight failutre, but a night terror.

                    Goring's favourite wins the match. Pity for the hurricane. I can just hear the knashing of British teeth!

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                    • #11
                      Hurricane was a better fighter however 110 was more relevant as "multi-purpose". 110 for me.

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                      • #12
                        It's the 110 here.
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                        • #13
                          Multi-role? Did the Bf-110 even have a single role? Hurricane all the way. Susie
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                          For old, unhappy, far-off things,
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                          • #14
                            hurricane had less rolls, but at least it did them all well
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                            • #15
                              Niether really, but Bf-110 more of a multi-role.

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