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  • Rnd 1 Grp D - Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA) vs Aichi E13A "Jake" (Japan)

    Round 1, Group D: Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA) vs Aichi E13A "Jake" (Japan)




    Candidate #60 - Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA)

    Service Intro - 1940
    Roles - scout/recon; convoy escort; artillery spotting; dive bomber; anti-submarine; liaison; air-sea rescue
    Quantity Produced - 1,519
    User Nations - USA, Australia, Britain, Chile, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Netherlands, Uruguay

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_OS2U_Kingfisher









    Candidate #61 - Aichi E13A "Jake" (Japan)

    Service Intro - 1941
    Roles - coastal patrol; convoy escort; anti-shipping; liaison; transport; air-sea rescue; trainer
    Quantity Produced - 1,418
    User Nations - Japan, China, France, Thailand

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichi_E13A









    Will you vote for the Kingfisher or the Jake?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    85
    Vought OS2U Kingfisher (USA)
    52.94%
    45
    Aichi E13A "Jake" (Japan)
    47.06%
    40

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 27 Dec 15, 10:55.
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

  • #2
    Both are excellent, but I am more familiar with the Kingfisher.
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    • #3
      Very, very close call here, IMO. I'm going Kingfisher.
      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
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      • #4
        I'd have to say the E13 was by far a better seaplane. It was the aircraft at Midway that found the US carriers and was Japan's premier cruiser float plane. It could stay airborne for as much as 13 to 15 hours which is about triple what a Kingfisher could manage.

        It was used in ASW like the Kingfisher but unlike the US plane it got a MAD device and radar making it more effective.

        Occasionally it was pressed into use as an attack aircraft on shipping as it could carry a 250 kg bomb and was fitted with a 20mm cannon for this role. In China it was pressed into service as a light bomber as well.

        Some were used late war as Kamikaze too.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          I'd have to say the E13 was by far a better seaplane. It was the aircraft at Midway that found the US carriers and was Japan's premier cruiser float plane. It could stay airborne for as much as 13 to 15 hours which is about triple what a Kingfisher could manage.

          It was used in ASW like the Kingfisher but unlike the US plane it got a MAD device and radar making it more effective.

          Occasionally it was pressed into use as an attack aircraft on shipping as it could carry a 250 kg bomb and was fitted with a 20mm cannon for this role. In China it was pressed into service as a light bomber as well.

          Some were used late war as Kamikaze too.
          TAG, I was unaware of the Jake's distinct advantage in ASW and this would likely have been enough to swing me the other way with my vote because I found it so close (in my limited knowledge) I almost tossed a coin.

          Just goes to show what we can learn when we read a bit deeper into something.

          Looks as if I'm not the only one though, based on the current votes for this pairing.
          Last edited by panther3485; 15 Dec 15, 20:28.
          "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
          Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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          • #6
            Very even matchup. Went with the Jake, it was simply a better aircraft.
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            • #7
              Need to add training for the Jake - the E13A1-K was a dual control version used by the IJN to train float plane pilots approx 130 built - see Green - Float Planes
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              • #8
                Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                Need to add training for the Jake - the E13A1-K was a dual control version used by the IJN to train float plane pilots approx 130 built - see Green - Float Planes
                ok
                "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                • #9
                  Jake all the way. I was unaware of the up-sizing of the technology for MAD and radar. What a versatil machine! AND a Kamikaze as well!

                  JAKE all the way.

                  That was a great post Mr. Gardner!

                  BTW, small note on it's successor the E-16A1 "Paul"...

                  "When the E16A1 first entered service, Navy reconnaissance pilots were reluctant to accept it as superior to the earlier 'Jake' with which they were more familiar."

                  The "Jake" must have had a reputation of sorts to achieve that.

                  vote JAKE
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                  • #10
                    Hot dog! My vote makes it EVEN steven!

                    What happens with a tie, Panther?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                      " ... What happens with a tie, Panther?
                      There's no rigidly fixed format. Ties have been quite rare in these tournaments and from my recollection on the very few occasions we've had one, a "tie breaker" has been improvised and implemented as agreed on those particular occasions. The one thing we haven't done is to run a second ballot because a quick resolution is preferred.

                      Anyway, there's a bit of time to go yet before the end of this Round, with the possibility of an extension still there too. Most likely the poll will resolve itself anyway.
                      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                      Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                        Hot dog! My vote makes it EVEN steven!

                        What happens with a tie, Panther?
                        So did mine!

                        But the Kingfisher is still ahead.... looks like the lesser plane will prevail.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                          So did mine!

                          But the Kingfisher is still ahead.... looks like the lesser plane will prevail.
                          I reckon it's too close to call just yet. Especially if we extend the closing date which is probable at this rate (if for no other reason that to compensate for the week we lost when ACG went down).

                          Speaking for myself and with further consideration - not to mention a few bits of additional information - since casting my vote, I think I maybe should have voted for the Jake too. But this one wasn't so easy for me to decide anyway.
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                          • #14
                            Jake

                            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                            So did mine!

                            But the Kingfisher is still ahead.... looks like the lesser plane will prevail.
                            Evened out the score 34-34

                            With planes as evenly matched as this pair I like to hold casting my vote till the posts have amassed and I can make an informed decision,
                            like here thanks to TAG's post in particular
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                            • #15
                              The Jake was a better plane, the Kingfisher was on the winning side.
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