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  • Rnd 1 Grp E - NA B-25 Mitchell (USA) vs Douglas Dakota & Li-2 (USA; SU)

    Round 1, Group E: North American B-25 Mitchell (USA) vs Douglas C-47 Skytrain/Dakota & Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)





    Candidate #73 - North American B-25 Mitchell (USA)

    Service Intro - 1941
    Roles - medium bomber; anti-shipping strike; ASW: ground attack; weather & photo recon; VIP/liaison; communications; general transport; trainer
    Quantity Produced - 9,816
    User Nations - USA + at least 20 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_..._B-25_Mitchell










    Candidate #76 - Douglas C-47* Skytrain/Dakota & Lisunov Li-2 (USA; SU/Russia)
    (*For tournament purposes, deemed to include all variants of this same basic airframe including Soviet/Russian & Japanese production.)

    Service Intro - 1942
    Roles - airliner; general transport; VIP/liaison; paratroop; ambulance; search & rescue; glider & target tug; maritime patrol; photo recon; light bomber; carrier ops; gunship; ELINT & EW
    Quantity Produced - 18,000 (approx.)
    User Nations - USA + about 100 other countries

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C-47_Skytrain
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisunov_Li-2
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa/Nakajima_L2D









    Will you vote for the Mitchell or the Dakota?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?


    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    89
    North American B-25 Mitchell (USA)
    30.34%
    27
    Douglas C-47 Skytrain/Dakota & Li-2 (USA; SU)
    69.66%
    62

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 05 Jan 16, 10:54.
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  • #2
    Again, as a "muli-role" aircraft the C-47 is pretty much limited to being a transport. It really didn't see service in any other role until Vietnam where it was turned into a gunship.
    While it certainly has the longevity, the B-25 has it beat on roles that it performed in service.

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    • #3
      This isn't really a fair comparison - a cargo aircraft and a medium bomber, but the C-47 wins it hands down.

      This aircraft was the workhorse of the military throughout WWII, and although parachute ops could easily be mounted without the B-25, none would have occurred, including D-Day, without the gallant Gooney Bird.

      This aircraft still soldiers on as a workhorse in many parts of the world, and served through Viet Nam as the genesis for the gunship, "Puff the Magic Dragon".

      The B-25, however, is long gone and barely remembered.

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      • #4
        C-47. This isn't even a comparison.
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        • #5
          Paul your dad needs to kick your... on this match up.

          C47
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
            Paul your dad needs to kick your... on this match up.

            C47
            Hang on to something solid ....

            ... it will probably get worse as the tournament progresses.
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            • #7
              The C-47 is still flying so they got something right! Puff the Magic Dragon was enough to overcome the B-25 ant-shipping strike aircraft, even if it only flew at night.
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              • #8
                Gotta vote for the best aerial top-dressing plane ever built. DC-3 all the way.

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                • #9
                  The B-25 was a gunship as well, the B-25H had the most spectacular array of guns firing forward. B-25 for me.
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                  • #10
                    While I think the B-25 was a great aircraft, I have to go with the C-47 on this one.

                    It's versatility and longevity are absolutely amazing in my book!

                    Cheers

                    Porty

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Porty View Post
                      While I think the B-25 was a great aircraft, I have to go with the C-47 on this one.

                      It's versatility and longevity are absolutely amazing in my book!

                      Cheers

                      Porty
                      Agreed. Dakota for me too.
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                      • #12
                        As well as a transport, glider tug and gunship DC3 based aircraft were also used for ELINT (C47M) and Electronic Warfare (EC47N) roles (During both Korean and Vietnam wars) Weather recce (during Korean war), Training, Radar test beds (USA GB, Canada and South Africa), Agent insertion and pickup (as part of CARPETBAGGER 1944-45).
                        The aircraft was used extensively by BOTH sides in ww2 with nearly 500 Japanese built aircraft being used in the Pacific.
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                        • #13
                          You shoujld have included a pic of the B-25 with a 75mm cannon in the nose, it might have had a chance.

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                          • #14
                            This round was nasty.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                              You shoujld have included a pic of the B-25 with a 75mm cannon in the nose, it might have had a chance.
                              I tend to use the more "basic" photos for Round 1 and save the "better" ones for successive rounds. Part of the challenge here is that as a general rule, the more modern the plane the better the choice and quality of photos. At the other end of the scale, getting even semi-decent photos of some of the WW1 and early inter-war planes was a real challenge for me.

                              Nevertheless, I do make some attempt to be fair. You'll notice I didn't include any of the more impressive photos of the C-47 either.

                              Of course, what this means is any aircraft that doesn't make it past Round 1 doesn't get the improved photo coverage that will flow on for most of the winners.
                              "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
                              Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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