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  • 101combatvet
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    Had it not been for Charles Schulz, the Albatros would have been more significant/influential.

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  • BELGRAVE
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    The Albatros was a very attractive design: I think the best-looking fighting scout of its time. However, it must be the Camel: the Spitfire of WW1.

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  • Surrey
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    The Camel beat the Albatross in the air so it should beat it here.

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  • JBark
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    Ditto.

    Sopwith-Camel-FGMM-2.jpg

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  • Desiree Clary
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    I vote for the Camel, a better aircraft and much used postwar. Besides, Snoopy flew one

    Susie

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  • 101combatvet
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    Snoopy flew it.

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    This is a tough one. The Albatross represents far more technological advancement than the Camel. The later was a very conventional WW 1 fighter much like the Newport 17 and dozens of others.
    The Camel's significance lies in that it was really the first time on a large scale that the RAF could actually put a fighter up that could match German aircraft.

    So, it is technology versus effectiveness. Because there were earlier Albatross's in that series I will go with the Camel this time.
    absolute twaddle.

    Paul

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  • broderickwells
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    Damn and blast - need to do more research.

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  • Pruitt
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    I like the Albatross better.

    Pruitt

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    This is a tough one. The Albatross represents far more technological advancement than the Camel. The later was a very conventional WW 1 fighter much like the Newport 17 and dozens of others.
    The Camel's significance lies in that it was really the first time on a large scale that the RAF could actually put a fighter up that could match German aircraft.

    So, it is technology versus effectiveness. Because there were earlier Albatross's in that series I will go with the Camel this time.

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    In a dogfight the Camel would be savaging the back of the Albatross' neck.

    For paint jobs on kites though, the Bosch win hands down.

    Paul

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  • Urban hermit
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    The Sopwith Camel for me.

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  • Rnd 4 Grp A-D - Albatros D.III/D.V/D.Va (Germany) vs Sopwith Camel (Britain)

    83
    Albatros D.III/D.V/D.Va (Germany)
    36.14%
    30
    Sopwith Camel (Britain)
    63.86%
    53

    The poll is expired.

    Round 4, Group A-D: Albatros D.III/D.V/D.Va (Germany) vs Sopwith Camel (Britain)


    Albatros D.III/D.V/D.Va
    Albatros D.III: The major difference between Albatros D.III and the preceding D.I/D.II was a re-design of the wing arrangement to a "sesquiplane" layout, broadly similar to the French Nieuport 11. The upper wingspan was extended, while the lower wing was redesigned with reduced chord and a single main spar. These changes gave the D.III considerably improved climb, maneuverability and downward visibility, compared to its predecessors; however, there were also some serious problems with the new lower wing leading sometimes to structural failures in flight.
    Albatros D.V: The D.V was essentially a refined D.III with some improvements to the fuselage and a larger rudder was introduced. Issues with the lower wing remained much the same, give or take a bit, until the introduction of the D.Va which had a reinforced structure; although this did not cure the problem entirely. Nevertheless, it was in Albatros fighters that Germany's most famous ace - Manfred Von Richthofen - scored the majority of his kills and given some of the problems with other German fighters they remained the primary German fighter type until well into 1918, when the Fokker D.VII came to the fore.

    Sopwith Camel
    The Sopwith Camel was intended as a replacement for the Pup. In the first place, the Camel is notable for being the first operational British-designed fighter with two machine-guns synchronized to fire through its propeller. Unlike the preceding Sopwith Pup and Triplane, the Camel was generally considered difficult to fly. The type owed both its extreme maneuverability and its difficult handling to a combination of the close placement of the engine, pilot, guns and fuel tank (about 90% of the weight of the aircraft) in the front 7ft (2.13m) of the aircraft, and the strong gyroscopic effect of the rotary engine. The Camel soon gained an unfortunate reputation with student pilots and if it was stalled, the immediate result was a particularly dangerous spin.
    Nevertheless, the new Sopwith fighter had a good margin of superiority over the Albatros D.III and D.V and offered heavier armament and better performance than the Pup and Triplane. In the hands of an experienced pilot, its maneuverability was unmatched by any contemporary type. Agility in combat made the Camel one of the best-remembered Allied aircraft of the First World War. RFC crew used to joke that it offered the choice between "a wooden cross, the Red Cross, or a Victoria Cross". Together with the S.E.5a and the SPAD S.XIII, the Camel helped to establish the Allied aerial superiority that lasted well into 1918.


    Will you be voting Albatros or Camel?

    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!


    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?




    Candidate #13 - Albatros D.III/D.V/D.Va (Germany)

    Full Service From (approx) 1917
    Quantity produced - 4,378
    User Nations - German Empire, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, Poland, Ottoman Empire, Yugoslavia

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatros_D.III
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatros_D.V


    (both photos show D.Va)









    Candidate #19 - Sopwith Camel (Britain)

    Full Service From (approx) 1917
    Quantity produced - 5,490
    User Nations - Britain, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Estonia, Georgia, Greece, Latvia, Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Sweden

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel












    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    Last edited by panther3485; 17 Apr 15, 12:44.

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