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  • Rnd 1 Grp G - Sukhoi Su-9 & Su-11 (Russia) vs F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II (USA)

    Round 1, Group G: Sukhoi Su-9 & Su-11 (Soviet Union/Russia) vs Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II (USA)


    Sukhoi Su-9 and Su-11
    Su-9: The Sukhoi Su-9 was a single-engine, all-weather, missile-armed interceptor aircraft developed by the Soviet Union. The combat record of the SU-9 if any, is unknown. It is possible that it was involved in the interception (or even shoot-down) of reconnaissance missions whose details remain classified, but nothing is publicly admitted. It was reported that a Su-9 was involved in the interception of Francis Gary Powers' U-2 over Soviet territory on 1 May 1960. A newly manufactured Su-9 which was in transit flight happened to be near Powers' U-2. The Su-9 was unarmed and was directed to ram the U-2. One ramming attempt was made and the Su-9 missed the U-2, primarily due to large difference in the speed of the two planes. No further ramming attempt was made due to Su-9's lack of fuel. On September 4, 1959 a modified Su-9 piloted by Vladimir Sergeievitch Ilyushin set a new world record for absolute height, at 28,852 m (94,658 ft). In November of the same year Ilyushin set several new sustained speed/altitude records in the same aircraft.
    Su-11: The Su-11 was an upgraded version of the Su-9 interceptor. Recognizing the Su-9's fundamental limitations, Sukhoi began work on the new version, which first flew in 1961. The Su-11 shared the Su-9's delta wing, swept tailplanes and cigar-shaped fuselage, as well as the circular nose intake, but had a longer nose to accommodate a more powerful radar set. A more powerful Lyulka AL-7F-1 turbojet was installed for improved climb rate and high-altitude performance (and to compensate for increased weight). The Su-11 can be distinguished from the Su-9 by the external fuel pipes atop the fuselage, aft of the cockpit.

    Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II
    The F-5A/B Freedom Fighter and the F-5E/F Tiger II are part of a family of supersonic light fighters, initially designed in the late 1950s. Being smaller and simpler than contemporaries such as the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, the F-5 cost less to both procure and operate, making it a popular export aircraft. The F-5 started life as a privately funded light fighter program by Northrop in the 1950s. The design team wrapped a small, highly aerodynamic fighter around two compact and high-thrust General Electric J85 engines, focusing on performance and low cost of maintenance. Though primarily designed for the day air superiority role, the aircraft is also a capable ground-attack platform. The F-5A entered service in the early 1960s. During the Cold War, over 800 were produced through 1972 for U.S. allies. Though the USAF had no acknowledged need for a light fighter, it did procure roughly 1,200 Northrop T-38 Talon trainer aircraft, which were directly based on the F-5A. After winning the International Fighter Aircraft competition in 1970, a program aimed at providing effective low-cost fighters to American allies, Northrop introduced the second-generation F-5E Tiger II in 1972. This upgrade included more powerful engines, higher fuel capacity, greater wing area and improved leading edge extensions for a better turn rate, optional air-to-air refueling, and improved avionics including air-to-air radar. Primarily used by American allies, it was also used in US training exercises.


    Can you see a compelling case for the Su-9 & Su-11? Or are you swayed by the F-5?

    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?



    Candidate #109 - Sukhoi Su-9 & Su-11 (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Full Service From (approx) – 1960
    Quantity produced - 1,258
    User Nations - Soviet Union

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-9
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-11











    Candidate #112 - Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II (USA)

    Full Service From (approx) – 1964
    Quantity produced - 2,246
    User Nations - USA and more than 30 other countries (See Wiki link below)

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5











    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    74
    Sukhoi Su-9 & Su-11 (Russia)
    41.89%
    31
    Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter & Tiger II (USA)
    58.11%
    43

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 07 Mar 15, 12:59.
    "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

  • #2
    The Su 9/11 represent for the Soviet Union their dedicated interceptor force. The planes were fast and good climbers. They had a dedicated mission profile to take on nuclear bombers from the West. In this role they were the same as the US F-102 or Britain's Javelin. They pushed Soviet missile design and fire controls forward.

    The F-5 represented a low cost, lightweight fighter for sale to second and third string air forces at low cost. It was an alternative to "buying used." There was nothing unique or special about the design. If you needed a cheap relatively capable day fighter to take on your neighbor's MiG 21's the F-5 was the plane for you.

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    • #3
      Beg to differ on that one.

      Credo quia absurdum.


      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      • #4
        I went F-5, more because of the T-38 than anything else.

        Pruitt
        Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

        Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

        by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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        • #5
          The F-5, and why the F-20 Tigershark was not adopted remains a mystery (to me).
          "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
          Samuel Johnson.

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          • #6
            Sukhoi. The Freedom Fighter was nothing special in any sense except a cheap jet fighter.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
              Beg to differ on that one.

              I have to agree, the F 5 was outstanding,
              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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              • #8
                Well this was not easy. The F 5 needs more credit than a that of just being a cheap airframe. One got an awful lot of air plane for your money. I would say it set a concept standard for a light weight affordable aircraft which would lead to the F 16.
                The repetition of affirmations leads to belief. Once that belief becomes a deep conviction, you better wake up and look at the facts.

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                • #9
                  Ah F5s. Ours have given up their last breath.
                  "We have no white flag."

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                  • #10
                    F-5 is a gem,even when taxing,he seems to fly.
                    Probably ,imo,one of the beautest aircraft in the world.
                    Small,nervous,powerfull,makes me think to Ed Norton in "american history x"
                    That rug really tied the room together

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                    • #11
                      The Sukhoi, it looks like a jet...

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                      • #12
                        Hmm. Both deserve some credit I think.

                        Going for a coin toss here honestly...Sukhoi for heads...

                        and...

                        heads it is. Sukhoi wins. I can live with that--I think that its records and capabilities are significant and influential.
                        "A foolish man thinks he knows everything if placed in unexpected difficulty; but he knows not what to answer, if to the test he is put."

                        --Hávamál

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                        • #13
                          Sukhoi Su-9 & Su-11 (Russia)

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                          • #14
                            F-5, for its broader spectrum general utility.
                            "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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