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Rnd 1 Grp G - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 (Russia) vs Dassault Mirage III (France)

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  • #16
    Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
    Surrey,you didn't understood.
    TA said that,this was not the Mirage that was a good aircraft,this was the Mig that was mediocre..
    Huge difference.By definition ,a French made item is rubbish,you should have known this.
    Nah, it is matter of perspective. Glass of water half full or half empty.

    Look at it this way:

    The MiG's performance was all around mediocre when compared to the Mirage.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
      Surrey,you didn't understood.
      TA said that,this was not the Mirage that was a good aircraft,this was the Mig that was mediocre..
      Huge difference.By definition ,a French made item is rubbish,you should have known this.
      Au Contraire! The Mirage was a decent fighter aircraft. Much better than the MiG 21. But, if you went up to some smuck on the street and asked "Which is better, the AK 47 or the Lebel rifle?" most people would say the AK simply because they never heard of the Lebel. That's the case here.

      Everyone has heard of a MiG and a MiG 21 in particular. It's almost a household word. That is the significance of the MiG 21.

      The MiG 21 =



      The Mirage =



      The Mirage may be better but everybody knows what Spam is...

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      • #18
        Surely the MiG 21 should deserve more credit than given here.
        The repetition of affirmations leads to belief. Once that belief becomes a deep conviction, you better wake up and look at the facts.

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        • #19
          The MiG got people worried. The Mirage only gave a bit of solace.

          => MiG wins

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          • #20
            MiG-21 for the ikonic status.
            Slight divergence from MiG-21 v Mirage. Looking at some statistics shows some interesting things. Total IDF aircraft losses of all types in Six Day War were 46, total Arab losses of all types 452, but we know many were destroyed still on the airfield and the war was over to soon to make a very good analysis of aircraft capabilites as opossed to command and control capabilities, which were far greater for IDF. Then looking at Vietnam we see total USAF F4 losses of 382, this is wiki, so is that correct as it seems very high? and North Vietnamese MiG-21 losses of 86. Even though the proportion of losses to total aircraft used is against Vietnamese I think, it shows MiG-21 was not bad when given opportunity to get into the air and was more robust than F4.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by broderickwells View Post
              The MiG got people worried. The Mirage only gave a bit of solace.

              => MiG wins
              Real
              But the Mirage set the Mig in fire.
              Mirage was the solution.
              That rug really tied the room together

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              • #22
                Mig 21 certainly.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                  Real
                  But the Mirage set the Mig in fire.
                  Mirage was the solution.
                  In my opinion, the Mirage is unquestionably a better quality aircraft. However, some will view the much larger numbers and sheer ubiquity of the MiG (among other things) to be deciding factors in this poll.

                  Having said that, the Mirage has got 30 out of the 70 votes so far. So while the current trend of polling isn't making it the winner here, it is by no means disgraced for the significance/influence criteria. And the poll still has at least 5 more days to go.
                  "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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                  • #24
                    MiG-21 because it's so 'ubiquitous' (to use Panther's word).
                    "A foolish man thinks he knows everything if placed in unexpected difficulty; but he knows not what to answer, if to the test he is put."

                    --Hávamál

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                    • #25
                      I think the MiG-21 probably will, and arguably should, win this poll. However, I'll vote for the Mirage III because I think it deserves to be close. Not only that, the RAAF used it and loved it for quite a long time so there's the Aussie angle for me.
                      "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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