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  • Rnd 1 Grp D - Bell P-39 & P-63 Cobras (USA) vs Focke-Wulf Fw 190 (Germany)

    Round 1, Group D: Bell P-39 & P-63 Cobras (USA) vs Focke-Wulf Fw 190 (Germany)


    Bell P-39 & P-63 Cobras
    The Bell P-39 Airacobra was one of the principal American fighter aircraft in service when the United States entered World War II. As well as serving with the USAAF, it was used with great success by the Soviet Air Force. Other major users of the type were the Free French, the Royal Air Force and the Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force. The P-39 had an unusual and innovative layout, with the engine installed in the center fuselage, behind the pilot, and driving a tractor propeller via a long shaft. This arrangment made it possible to install a very decent-size cannon in the nose, to fire through the propeller hub, giving the Bell fighter outstanding firepower. Indeed, the P-39 could be seen as one of the first production fighters to be conceived as a "weapons system"; the aircraft being designed around the 37mm T9 cannon. The 200 lb, 90 inch long T9 had to be rigidly mounted and fire parallel to and close to the centreline of the new fighter. Therefore it was weight, balance and visibility considerations that more or less dictated the positioning of the engine. The P-39 was also noteworthy as being the first metal monoplane fighter to enter squadron service with a tricycle undercarriage. A downside of the Airacobra was the absence of an efficient turbo-supercharger, limiting it to low-altitude work. As such, the RAF preferred not to use it over western Europe. For the Soviets, though, performance at high altitude was much less of an issue.
    The P-63 Kingcobra was developed from the Airacobra in an attempt to correct that aircraft's deficiencies. The P-63 was enthusiastically adopted by the Soviet Air Force, which developed successful group tactics for the Bell fighters and scored a surprising number of aerial victories over a variety of German aircraft. Low ceilings, short missions, good radios, a sealed and warm cockpit and ruggedness contributed to their effectiveness. To pilots who had once flown the tricky Polikarpov I-16, the aerodynamic quirks of the mid-engined aircraft were relatively unimportant. In the Far East, P-63 and P-39 aircraft were used in the Soviet invasion of Manchukuo and northern Korea. Bell Cobras continued in Soviet service to at least the early 1950's.

    Focke-Wulf Fw 190
    From about 1942, the Bf 109 and the Fw 190 together became the backbone of the German fighter force. The twin-row BMW 801 radial engine that powered the Fw 190A series enabled the aircraft to lift larger loads than the Bf 109, allowing its use as a day fighter, fighter-bomber, ground-attack aircraft and, to a lesser degree, night fighter. The Fw 190A started flying operationally over France in August 1941 and within a fairly short time had its first clashes with RAF Spitfires. At this point, the latest model of the Spitfire in general use was the Mk. V. The 190 quickly proved superior in all but turn radius to the Spitfire V, especially at low and medium altitudes. The 190 maintained its superiority over Allied fighters until the introduction of the improved Spitfire Mk. IX in July 1942. In November/December 1942, the Fw 190 made its air combat debut on the Eastern Front, being successful both in air-to-air and ground attack operations.
    The Fw 190A series' performance decreased at high altitudes (usually 6,000 m (20,000 ft) and above), which reduced its effectiveness as a high-altitude interceptor, but this problem was addressed with the introduction of the Fw 190D from about September 1944, which was powered by the Junkers Jumo 213 inline engine. It is readily distinguishable from the radial-engined A series by its longer nose. The Fw 190D was a very worthy opponent for late-war Allied fighters. Taken overall and given the excellent performance and very successful career of the Fw 190, as well as the very large numbers produced, it would rightfully be considered one of the most important fighters to serve during WW2.


    How about the Bell Cobras? How about the Fw 190? Will you be reaching for a coin or will this be a relatively easy decision?

    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?



    Candidate #62 - Bell P-39 Airacobra & P-63 Kingcobra (USA)

    Full Service From (approx) – 1941
    Quantity produced - 12,897
    User Nations - USA, Australia, Britain, France, Honduras, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Soviet Union

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-39_Airacobra
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-63_Kingcobra











    Candidate #63 - Focke-Wulf Fw 190 (Germany)

    Full Service From (approx) – 1941
    Quantity produced - 20,051
    User Nations - Germany, Czechoslovakia, France, Hungary, Romania, Turkey

    For further info & some technical details, you can start with Wiki here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190










    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!
    78
    Bell P-39 & P-63 Cobras (USA)
    6.41%
    5
    Focke-Wulf Fw 190 (Germany)
    93.59%
    73

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 06 Mar 15, 12:05.
    "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

  • #2
    FW 190 hands down!

    Pruitt
    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

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    • #3
      While the Bell aircraft certainly have some unique design features the FW 190 was far more significant in terms of impact on WW 2 and even aircraft design.

      For example, Hawker copied the ideas of close cowling and fan cooling the engine in the radial versions of the Tempest and Fury directly from inspection of captured FW 190.

      The Bell P-63 was simply too late to warrant being adopted by the USAAF. This plane fixed all of the major flaws of the P-63 but it wasn't any better than its contemporaries.

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      • #4
        It doesn't help when you turn to answer your wife and pick the wrong answer, I meant to vote for the German aircraft.
        This bass guitar kills TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • #5
          The Cobras were interesting, but we're talking about the Butcher Bird here.
          ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

          BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

          BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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          • #6
            Fw 190 hands down
            Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
            Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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            • #7
              Bell's Cobras were interesting, gave excellent service in their role, were New Yorkers, and may even have influenced the A-10's design (maybe ) but the FW-190's modular construction has inspired ever since. This is no contest: the 190.
              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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              • #8
                Anyone know if the drive shaft in the Cobra actualy passed between the pilots legs or under the cabin floor?
                Wack tac mac hey.
                Regards.
                Grishnak.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by grishnak View Post
                  Anyone know if the drive shaft in the Cobra actualy passed between the pilots legs or under the cabin floor?
                  I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for that,I was wondering how the pilot would cope with prop engine inbalence.
                    Wack tac mac hey.
                    Regards.
                    Grishnak.

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                    • #11
                      does my nickname tells what's my favourite plane? i vote for the
                      FW-190 Wurger (butcher bird), great plane, well armed, manouvrable, could face allied fighters almost to the end of the war, a four engine bomber killer!

                      two MG-151, two MG-FF and two MG-17's. killer weaponry


                      four 20mm MG-151's, two 13mm MG-131 and two 21cm WGr 21



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                      • #12
                        Treading water as we wait for the second round. Most of the match-ups in the first round are not competitive (which is to be expected). This is another 1 vs. 16 matchup with no chance of an upset. FW-190 rules here.

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                        • #13
                          FTW-190
                          "A foolish man thinks he knows everything if placed in unexpected difficulty; but he knows not what to answer, if to the test he is put."

                          --Hávamál

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                          • #14
                            Focke-Wulf Fw 190 (Germany)

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                            • #15
                              Against a fair number of WW2 monoplane fighters, the Cobras would get my vote for significance and maybe even for influence; but against the Wurger? Forget it.

                              Fw 190.
                              "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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