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  • Greatest Westerns Round 2: The Outlaw Josey Wales v. The Last of the Mohicans

    The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
    Josey Wales makes his way west after the Civil War, determined to live a useful and helpful life. He joins up with a group of settlers who need the protection that a man as tough and experienced as he is can provide. Unfortunately, the past has a way of catching up with you, and Josey is a wanted man.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075029/



    The Last of the Mohicans (1992)
    The story is about a dying tribe called the Mohicans in which only two are left as well as one adopted white man. These three men refuse to enter the militia for English in 1757 for they want freedom. On their way to Kentucky, the intercept Indians attacking a small regiment of British including the two daughters of an English Colonel on their way to a fort. The three men lead the survivors to the fort while two love stories take place but the French and Indian War continues.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104691/
    82
    The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
    59.76%
    49
    The Last of the Mohicans (1992)
    40.24%
    33

  • #2
    Please forgive me, but why are we considering "Last of the Mohicans" as a Western? It neither takes place in the "West", nor does it take place in the time frame of most Westerns. Personally I would replace with "The Wild Bunch" or something else.

    Just my 2 cents worth.
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    • #3
      I didn't think this one would even be a contest. The Outlaw Josey Wales should be walking away with this.

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      • #4
        You asked which of the two movies we prefered. I actually like Last of the Mohicans better than The Outlaw Josey Wales. As to whether it's a Western..that is another story.



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        • #5
          Originally posted by hellboy30 View Post
          Please forgive me, but why are we considering "Last of the Mohicans" as a Western? It neither takes place in the "West", nor does it take place in the time frame of most Westerns. Personally I would replace with "The Wild Bunch" or something else.

          Just my 2 cents worth.
          Last of the Mohicans is a great movie...It might even be better than The Outlaw Josey Wales...And despite its Round One victory over Open Range...It's still not a western!

          The Outlaw Josey Wales is one of the five best westerns ever made...It is Clint Eastwood's best western and one of his best movies as an actor and as a director.
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          • #6
            Josie Wales, hands down.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
              Last of the Mohicans is a great movie...It might even be better than The Outlaw Josey Wales...And despite its Round One victory over Open Range...It's still not a western!

              The Outlaw Josey Wales is one of the five best westerns ever made...It is Clint Eastwood's best western and one of his best movies as an actor and as a director.
              Of course it is. You couldn't get much further west in the colonies than that and what is this time frame crap. If there is a movie done on Lewis and Clark is that a western or something else? It's closer in time to Last of the Mohicans than the Battle of the Alamo. What about John Waynes North to Alaska? Now that sure as H isn't Western but he has his hat and guns.

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              1. High Noon - (1952) (Gary Cooper, Grace Kelly, Lloyd Bridges)
              2. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre - (1948) (Humphrey Bogart, Walter Huston)
              3. Shane - (1953) (Alan Ladd, Jean Arthur, Van Heflin)
              4. The Magnificent Seven - (1960) (Yul Brynner, Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson)
              5. Virginia City - (1940) (Errol Flynn, Randolph Scott, Miriam Hopkins)
              6. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid - (1969) (Paul Newman, Robert Redford)
              7. The Wild Bunch - (1969) (William Holden, Ernest Borgnine)
              8. Stagecoach - (1939) (John Wayne, Claire Trevor, John Carradine)
              9. The Shootist - (1976) (John Wayne, Lauren Bacall, James Stewart)
              10. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - (1966) (Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, Eli Wallach)
              11. The Searchers - (1956) (John Wayne, Jeffrey Hunter)
              12. Rio Grande - (1950) (John Wayne, Maureen O'Hara)
              13. A Man Called Horse - (1970 (Richard Harris, Judith Anderson)
              14. The Outlaw Josey Wales - (1976) (Clint Eastwood, Sondra Locke)
              15. Little Big Man - (1970) (Dustin Hoffman, Faye Dunaway, Chief Dan George)
              16. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - (1962) (John Wayne, James Stewart, Vera Miles)
              17. Unforgiven - (1992) (Clint Eastwood, Gene Hackman, Morgan Freeman)
              18. Once Upon a Time in the West - (1969 (Henry Fonda, Charles Bronson)
              19. Dances with Wolves - (1990) (Kevin Costner, Mary McDonnell, Graham Greene)
              20. High Plains Drifter - (1973) (Clint Eastwood, Verna Bloom)
              21. Red River - (1948) (John Wayne, Montgomery Clift , Joanne Dru)
              22. The Ox-Bow Incident - (1943) (Henry Fonda, Dana Andrews, Anthony Quinn)
              23. True Grit - (1969) (John Wayne, Glen Campbell, Kim Darby)
              24. Silverado - (1985) (Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, Danny Glover, Kevin Costner)
              25. Santa Fe Trail - (1940) (Errol Flynn, Ronald Reagan, Olivia de Havilland)
              26. The Misfits - (1961) (Clark Gable, Marilyn Monroe, Montgomery Clift)
              27. Hondo - (1953) (John Wayne, Geraldine Page)
              28. Fort Apache - (1948) (John Wayne, Henry Fonda, Shirley Temple)
              29. How the West Was Won - (1962) (Henry Fonda, James Stewart, John Wayne)
              30. The Sons of Katie Elder - (1965) (John Wayne, Dean Martin, George Kennedy)
              31. Tombstone - (1993) (Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer)
              32. McLintock! - (1963) (John Wayne, Maureen O'Hara)
              33. The Long Riders - (1980) (Stacy Keach, Dennis Quaid)
              34. The Alamo - (1960) (John Wayne, Richard Widmark, Laurence Harvey)
              35. My Darling Clementine - (1946) (Henry Fonda, Linda Darnell, Victor Mature)
              36. The Great Northfield, Minnesota Raid - (1972) (Cliff Robertson, Robert Duvall)
              37. Wyatt Earp - (1994) (Kevin Costner, Dennis Quaid, Gene Hackman)
              38. Destry Rides Again - (1939) (James Stewart, Marlene Dietrich)
              39. The Outlaw - (1943) (Jane Russell, Jack Buetel, Walter Huston)
              40. Ride the High Country - (1962) (Randolph Scott, Joel McCrea, Mariette Hartley)
              41. Duel in the Sun - (1946) (Gregory Peck, Joseph Cotten, Jennifer Jones)
              42. 3:10 to Yuma - (2007) (Russell Crowe, Christian Bale, Ben Foster)
              43. The Professionals - (1966) (Burt Lancaster, Lee Marvin, Robert Ryan)
              44. They Died With Their Boots On - (1941) (Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland, Anthony Quinn)
              45. Dodge City - (1939) (Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland, Ann Sheridan)
              46. Rio Lobo - (1970) (John Wayne, Jennifer O'Neill)
              47. Johnny Guitar - (1954) (Joan Crawford, Sterling Hayden, Ward Bond)
              48. The Cowboys - (1972) (John Wayne, Roscoe Lee Browne, Bruce Dern)
              49. McCabe and Mrs. Miller - (1971) (Warren Beatty, Julie Christie)
              50. The Gunfighter - (1950) (Gregory Peck, Helen Westcott)
              51. Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - (1957) (Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas)
              52. Will Penny - (1968) (Charlton Heston, Joan Hackett, Donald Pleasence)
              53. Tall in the Saddle - (1944) (John Wayne, Ella Raines, Ward Bond)
              54. The Sacketts - (1979) (Tom Selleck, Sam Elliott)
              55. Vera Cruz - (1954) (Gary Cooper, Burt Lancaster, Charles Bronson)
              56. Hombre - (1967) (Paul Newman, Fredric March, Richard Boone)
              57. The Culpepper Cattle Co. - (1972) (Gary Grimes, Luke Askew)
              58. A Fistful of Dollars - (1964) (Clint Eastwood, Marianne Koch)
              59. Wichester '73 - (1950) (James Stewart, Shelley Winters, Rock Hudson)
              60. The Big Country - (1958) (Gregory Peck, Jean Simmons, Charlton Heston)
              61. Nevada Smith - (1966) (Steve McQueen, Karl Malden, Brian Keith)
              62. Billy the Kid - (1941) (Robert Taylor, Brian Donlevy)
              63. Lonely Are the Brave - (1962) (Kirk Douglas, Gena Rowlands, Walter Matthau)
              64. For a Few Dollars More - (1965) (Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef)
              65. Bad Day at Black Rock - (1955) (Spencer Tracy, Robert Ryan)
              66. Hannie Caulder - (1972) (Raquel Welch, Robert Culp)
              67. The Man From Laramie - (1955) (James Stewart, Arthur Kennedy, Donald Crisp)
              68. Broken Arrow - (1950) (James Stewart, Jeff Chandler, Debra Paget)
              69. The Quick and the Dead - (1995) (Gene Hackman, Russell Crowe, Sharon Stone)
              70. My Darling Clementine - (1946) (Henry Fonda, Linda Darnell, Victor Mature)
              71. Major Dundee - (1965) (Charlton Heston, Richard Harris, James Coburn)
              72. Open Range - (2003) (Kevin Costner, Robert Duvall, Annette Bening)
              73. El Dorado - (1966) (John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, James Caan)
              74. Villa Rides - (1968) (Yul Brynner, Robert Mitchum, Charles Bronson)
              75. Pony Express - (1953) (Charlton Heston, Rhonda Fleming, Jan Sterling)
              76. Northwest Passage - (1940) (Spencer Tracy, Robert Young, Walter Brennan)
              77. Jesse James - (1939) (Tyrone Power, Henry Fonda, Randolph Scott)
              78. Rio Bravo - (1959) (John Wayne, Dean Martin, Ricky Nelson)
              79. Barbarosa - (1982) (Willie Nelson, Gary Busey, Isela Vega)
              80. Ten Wanted Men - (1955) (Randolph Scott, Richard Boone, Jocelyn Brando)
              81. Maverick - (1994) (Mel Gibson, James Garner, Jodie Foster)
              82. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon - (1949) (John Wayne, Joanne Dru, John Agar)
              83. The Plainsman - (1936) (Gary Cooper, Jean Arthur, James Ellison)
              84. The White Buffalo - (1977) (Charles Bronson, Jack Warden, Will Sampson)
              85. Young Guns - (1988) (Emilio Estevez, Kiefer Southerland)
              86. Chato's Land - (1972) (Charles Bronson, Jack Palance, Richard Basehart)
              87. The Big Sky - (1952) (Kirk Douglas, Dewey Martin, Elizabeth Threatt)
              88. Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid - (1973) (James Coburn, Kris Kristofferson , Bob Dylan)
              89. Cheyenne Autumn - (1964) (Richard Widmark, Carroll Baker, Karl Malden)
              90. The Glory Guys - (1965) (Tom Tryon, Harve Presnell, James Caan, Senta Berger)
              91. The Far Country - (1954) (James Stewart, Ruth Roman, Harry Morgan)
              92. Death Rides a Horse - (1969) (Lee Van Cleef, John Phillip Law, Anthony Dawson)
              93. Big Jake - (1971) (John Wayne, Richard Boone, Patrick Wayne)
              94. The Naked Spur - (1953) (James Stewart, Janet Leigh, Robert Ryan)
              95. The Missing - (2003) (Tommy Lee Jones, Cate Blanchett, Val Kilmer)
              96. Diamante Lobo - (1976) (Jack Palance, Lee Van Cleef, Richard Boon)
              97. Dead Man - (1995) (Johnny Depp, Crispin Glover, John Hurt)
              98. The Proposition - (2005) (Richard Wilson, Noah Taylor, Guy Pearce)
              99. The Ballad of Little Jo - (1993) (Suzy Amis, Bo Hopkins, Ian McKellen)
              100. The Great Silence - (1968) (Klaus Kinski, Jean-Louis Trintignant)


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              • #8
                It always fun to see what the pros pick as opposed to the fans!

                Never the same.

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                • #9
                  Josey Wales for me.

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                  • #10
                    I like both movies but Last of the Mohicans wins by a nose.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Captain General View Post
                      I like both movies but Last of the Mohicans wins by a nose.
                      Me too. Mohicans is a movie I can watch any time it is on. I can't say that about Josey.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Biscuit View Post
                        It always fun to see what the pros pick as opposed to the fans!

                        Never the same.
                        It was from a blog..........how does that make them a pro?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Half Pint View Post
                          Of course it is. You couldn't get much further west in the colonies than that and what is this time frame crap. If there is a movie done on Lewis and Clark is that a western or something else? It's closer in time to Last of the Mohicans than the Battle of the Alamo. What about John Waynes North to Alaska? Now that sure as H isn't Western but he has his hat and guns.

                          found on a movie blog

                          [...]

                          2. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre - (1948) (Humphrey Bogart, Walter Huston)

                          [...]

                          65. Bad Day at Black Rock - (1955) (Spencer Tracy, Robert Ryan)
                          [...]

                          76. Northwest Passage - (1940) (Spencer Tracy, Robert Young, Walter Brennan)

                          [...]

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                          Just because the blogger at FilmCrave.com doesn't realize that the three movies listed aboive aren't westerns...doesn't make Last of the Mohicans a western.

                          Westerns take place in the west...Generally west of the Mississippi River during the American western expansion in the mid to late 1800's...and very early 1900's. The Pancho Villa expedition is sort of the end of the Western Era.

                          The Treasure of the Sierra Madre takes place in Mexico in 1925...It's a great movie...But it's not a western.

                          Bad Day at Black Rock is a great movie...I think I even voted for it in the first round (maybe it was up against a Spaghetti Western )...It takes place in the west...But it takes place after World War II. It's not a western.

                          Northwest Passage was the best French and Indian Wars movie before Last of the Mohicans...But it's no more of a western than a movie about the Pilgrims or Jamestown or the Revolutionary war is a western...The French and Indian Wars pre-date the United States.

                          The Alamo probably isn't a western either...But it's much closer in geography and chronology to the American westward expansion of the mid to late 1800's than Last of the Mohicans, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, or Bad Day at Black Rock.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lance Williams View Post
                            It was from a blog..........how does that make them a pro?
                            If you IMDB movies like Last of the Mohicans, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, or Bad Day at Black Rock; they are often categorized as westerns. Whoever categorized them as westerns (even if it was a pro-blogger) doesn't understand what a western is.

                            If Bad Day at Black Rock is a western; then so is Sam Peckinpah's The Getaway...
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                            • #15
                              An incredibly tough choice. I think that The Outlaw Josey Wales is possibly Eastwood's best film, both as an actor and as a director. I don't think that enough people in the film industry took Eastwood as seriously as they should have at this stage in his career. With that being said my pick is The Last of the Mohicans. I know some won't vote for it because they don't consider it a "western", but in 1757 this was as far west as even the fringe of European civilization. LotM combines a classic historically based story with great acting (has there ever been a better bad guy than portayed by Les Studi), a wonderful soundtrack and unsurpassed cinamatograhy (the Great Smokey Mountains as a fine substitute for 18th century New York). All that combined with some of the best close combat (ie, gunstock club) fight scenes every filmed and you have the winner.
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