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    Battle of the Golden Spurs 1302



    Why?
    The professional French force believed that they could easily take on this Flemish rabble, largely composed of infantry. This overconfidence cost them dearly...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_golden_spurs

    The Battle of the Golden Spurs (Dutch: Guldensporenslag, French: Bataille des éperons d'or, or Battle of Courtrai) was fought on July 11, 1302, near Kortrijk in Flanders. After the Flemish unsuccessfully tried to take Kortrijk on July 9 and 10, the two forces clashed on July 11 in an open field near the city. The layout of the field, crossed by numerous ditches and streams, made it difficult for the French cavalry to charge the Flemish lines. Hindered by their own infantry and the tactically sound position of the Flemish militia, the French cavalry were an easy target for the heavily-armed Flemish.



    Battle of Tsushima May 27-28, 1905



    Why?
    Tsushima, a naval battle in the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05, was a massive, humiliating disaster for the Russians. In a very one-sided action, the Russian fleet was almost totally annihilated with minimal loss to the Japanese. Although the outcome – against a superficially strong but actually rather weakened and ineffective opponent – may have been somewhat misleading to Japan, Tsushima was nevertheless instrumental in changing the balance of power, both real and perceived, in favour of Japan and to the great detriment of Russia. Aside from the enormous and far-reaching political consequences, Russia’s naval power had declined to the status of a very minor player, while Japan was now established as the sixth strongest naval power in the World.

    Japan sought to secure its sea lines of communication with the Asian mainland, to support a campaign in Manchuria. This required the neutralization of the Russian Pacific Fleet which led, between February and August 1904, to a number of engagements between the two navies and a siege of the Russian Naval base at Port Arthur. By the end of this period, the Japanese had gained the upper hand. With the situation in the Far East rapidly deteriorating, the Russians formed a second Pacific Squadron from the Baltic Fleet and sent them to the contested area. The objectives were to relieve the siege of Port Arthur, link up with remaining elements of the Russian Navy in the region and then overwhelm the Imperial Japanese Navy. This would be co-ordinated with defensive land actions, to delay the Japanese advance into Manchuria sufficiently until Russian reinforcements could arrive by the Trans-Siberian railway. The Russians sailed on 15 October under the command of Admiral Rozhestvensky.

    This was a very long voyage, especially as they had been denied access to the Suez Canal and had to go around the Cape of Good Hope. By the time they had arrived in Indochina in April/May 1905, Port Arthur had already fallen so their orders were changed to proceed to Vladivostok. Rozhestvensky chose a route through the Tsushima strait, between Japan and Korea, hoping to slip through the Sea of Japan to Vladivostok without being detected. This hope was dashed by a chance encounter in the early hours of 27 May and by 1.40pm the Russians were met in the strait by the Japanese fleet under Admiral Togo. The Russians were in very poor shape for battle after the long voyage and their morale was low. Furthermore, Japanese levels of skill and training were higher and they had better range-finding equipment. Togo succeeded tactically as well, with bold maneuvering. Action continued through the night and into the next day. The Japanese completely outclassed the Russians, who lost all of their battleships and most of their cruisers and destroyers, for a Japanese loss of three torpedo boats. By the evening of 28 May it was all over.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima
    http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/...p/tsushima.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
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    Battle of Golden Spurs 1302
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    Battle of Tsushima 1905
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    Tsushima. A blunder to even send the Russian fleet around the world to fight a battle on Japan's home turf.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
      Tsushima. A blunder to even send the Russian fleet around the world to fight a battle on Japan's home turf.
      Agreed. Funny how the Russian's were involved in 3 of the final 4 I voted for...
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      • #4
        Tsushima was a bad idea, but Golden Spurs wins it with me. To use heavy cavalry in this way....
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        — Groucho Marx

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        • #5
          Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
          Tsushima. A blunder to even send the Russian fleet around the world to fight a battle on Japan's home turf.
          Agree.

          Some of the reasons:

          Blunder 1 - Firing at a fishing fleet outside the Baltic Sea, thinking they were Japanese!

          Blunder 2 - Failure to use the sailing time across the world to train properly the many recruit forced on board to fill the crew complements before sailing.

          Blunder 3 - Old Russian battleship vs Japanese modern and well-trained fleet.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Capt AFB View Post
            Agree.

            Some of the reasons:

            Blunder 1 - Firing at a fishing fleet outside the Baltic Sea, thinking they were Japanese!

            Blunder 2 - Failure to use the sailing time across the world to train properly the many recruit forced on board to fill the crew complements before sailing.

            Blunder 3 - Old Russian battleship vs Japanese modern and well-trained fleet.
            Blunder 4 - Having the fleet laden with coal when the Japanese had dumped theirs to increase speed and manoeuvrability.
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            • #7
              Only 16 votes so far for Golden Spurs.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                Only 16 votes so far for Golden Spurs.
                Yep, I think we've got a runaway here!
                BoRG
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                • #9
                  I have to agree with the sentiment that the Russians set themselves up by not using the months long voyage to drill drill drill.

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                  • #10
                    I do not believe that the sickness of Admiral Rozhestvens - that is why he was called Mad Dog - can be called a blunder. The man had syphillis and it was he who decided to sail the fleet around the world to take on the Japanese. Strange thing is, that the Czar and his immediate surrounding himself didn't know about it until they had left.

                    The Russian rear-admiral Nebogatov and admiral Enkvist urged admiral Rozhestens not to go, considering it pure idiocy to sail around the world with unruly sailors and with a fleet not fit for a confrontation with the Japanese.

                    However, the admiral pushed his will and they sailed out anyhow to the great suprise of most of the Military War Office's knowledge.

                    This how one man's insanity caused the destruction/capture of an entire fleet.



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                    • #11
                      The Russian thingy...definitely. Golden Spurs happened next door...the Russians had to sail halfway around the world to screw the pooch.
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                      • #12
                        Tsushima - for the sheer dedication the Russians seemed to give to their blunder. Not just a one-day blunder, when the Russians blunder they stick to it for the whole nine yards!
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                        • #13
                          Golden Spurs just because when a little league team beats a college team something is really wrong

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                          • #14
                            After having used up my wild card to ensure Tsushima making it past the first round, it is quite surprising to see it now thumping the competition in the quarter-finals. Good idea, those wild cards.....

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                            • #15
                              Blunder fans..........

                              Get your votes in, Round 3 Polls are set to close in 24 hours!

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