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  • Greatest Blunder: Golden Spurs vs Austro-Prussian War (Round 2)

    Battle of the Golden Spurs 1302



    Why?
    The professional French force believed that they could easily take on this Flemish rabble, largely composed of infantry. This overconfidence cost them dearly...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_golden_spurs

    The Battle of the Golden Spurs (Dutch: Guldensporenslag, French: Bataille des éperons d'or, or Battle of Courtrai) was fought on July 11, 1302, near Kortrijk in Flanders. After the Flemish unsuccessfully tried to take Kortrijk on July 9 and 10, the two forces clashed on July 11 in an open field near the city. The layout of the field, crossed by numerous ditches and streams, made it difficult for the French cavalry to charge the Flemish lines. Hindered by their own infantry and the tactically sound position of the Flemish militia, the French cavalry were an easy target for the heavily-armed Flemish.




    The Austro-Prussian War 1866



    Why?
    Austria goes from being the predominant power in the Germanic states to a lesser state through a series of bungled & mismanaged battles against their Northern neighbor Prussia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War
    http://history-world.org/AUSTROPR.htm

    From the inside flap of Geoffrey Wawro’s book, “The Austro-Prussian War: Austria’s War with Prussia and Italy in 1866”: Quote:
    In 1866, the mighty Austrian Empire was attacked by the armies of Prussia & Italy. The Prussians first overran Austria’s German allies-Hanover, Hessia, Bavaria, and Saxony-and then thrust into the Hapsburg province of Bohemia. In a sequence of well-executed flanking attacks, the Prussians drove the Austrians from good defensive positions at Trautenau, Vysokov, Skalice, Munchengratz, and Jicin, and forced them back to the Elbe River fortress at Koniggratz. While the Prussians slowly encircled Austria’s North Army, the Italians attempted the same maneuver against Austria’s South Army in Venetia, but-in a humiliating, disastrous battle-were routed at Custoza. The Austro-Prussian War culminated at Koniggratz on July 3, 1866. There the Prussians hit the Austrians in front and flank, and nearly annihilated them, driving the North Army and its hapless commandant-General Ludwig Benedek, a pre-war celebrity accounted the best general in Europe-back to Vienna in a shattered, demoralized state.
    Austria’s infantry were equipped with muzzle-loading, single-shot rifle-muskets against the Prussian’s Dreyse Needle Gun-a bolt action breechloader. This blunder of pitting a muzzle loader vs. a breechloader saw a 5-1 casualty ration between the two armies. Prussia managed to not use either its artillery or its cavalry in a decent manner-something that the Austrians may have taken advantage of if their strategy & tactics had been better. The biggest blunder of the war was Benedek putting his army in front of Elbe river rather than behind it. The Prussians almost blundered at Koniggratz by launching their assaults before their Second Army was in range of Austria’s North army, but despite his subordinates’ attempts to save the battle, Benedek did nothing until it was too late.
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    Battle of Golden Spurs 1302
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    Austro-Prussian War 1866
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  • #2
    Will the French prevail again?
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    • #3
      Golden Spurs! Win one for Stratego!

      The Austrians lost to a better-fighting foe. The French willfully flung victory away in an 'open field' full of ditches and streams - exactly the sort of terrain you want to be charging heavily armed knights into, right?

      ...yeeeah
      Captain Khryses, Silver Star Omnilift Wing

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      • #4
        Recalling the almost-victorious infantry in order to make a cavalry charge across a marshy field full of ditches - thus snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
        Surrender? NutZ!
        -Varro

        Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death. -Sun Tzu

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        • #5
          Hello Gentlemen and History Friends

          For those who might have missed out on this "great" example of a Battle blunder - please allow me to point out once more the following site that IMHO is a fantastic source of information in regards to the Battle of the
          GOLDEN SPURS.

          But please do see for your self:

          http://www.liebaart.org/gulden_e.htm


          Regards
          Kruska

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          • #6
            I'll vote for Golden Spurs. But I still think Agincourt was a bigger blunder.
            History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Napoleon Bonaparte
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Torien View Post
              I'll vote for Golden Spurs. But I still think Agincourt was a bigger blunder.
              Totally agree with you...Voting for Golden Spurs...

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              • #8
                Going with the Austro-Prussian War. After a series of blunders, the Austrian general Benedek fights a battle with a river to his back. An unforgivable blunder.
                Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

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                • #9
                  Golden Spurs. The French did not need to attack the Flemish on that piece of ground and in doing so, threw their cavalry away.
                  "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
                  — Groucho Marx

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Catman View Post
                    Golden Spurs. The French did not need to attack the Flemish on that piece of ground and in doing so, threw their cavalry away.
                    Well said - Catman - well said.

                    http://www.liebaart.org/gulden_e.htm



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                    Kruska

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                    • #11
                      Blunder Fans..........

                      You have only 24 hours left to get your votes in.
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                      • #12
                        Don't forget to post your WILD CARDS PUBLICLY on the thread if you wish to use them !

                        THE 24 HOURS ARE ON !!!!
                        Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

                        It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

                        Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

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                        • #13
                          Golden Spurs to victory.......Strat- it's time to take the spurs to the Church of Our Lady in Kortrijk

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