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  • Eight greatest BLUNDERS !!! Part II

    And here we have the second batch of FOOLISH PLANS and MILITARY BLUNDERS !!!!



    It is time to narrow down the list of 25 battles/campaigns to eight in this current round Armchair Attacks. Please vote for the eight that you consider the greatest military blunders.

    The poll for the preliminaries is private, but any comments or discussion are as always welcome and looked forward to.

    Go for it !!!!






    the ACG Staff


    And don’t forget ladies and gentlemen! You are already allowed to use your WILD CARD in the preliminaries: for more info visit http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91795

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    Battle of Morgarten 1315
    3.71%
    16
    Battle of Sempach 1386
    1.39%
    6
    Battle of Nicopolis 1396
    2.78%
    12
    Battle of Agincourt 1415
    11.60%
    50
    Battle of Konitz 1454
    1.39%
    6
    The Wallachian-Ottoman war of 1462
    6.96%
    30
    Battle of Morat 1476
    2.32%
    10
    Battle of Bosworth Field 1483
    7.42%
    32
    Battle of Chaldiran 1514
    0.93%
    4
    Battle of Pavia 1525
    3.02%
    13
    Battle of Panipat 1526
    0.93%
    4
    The Battle of Okehazama 1560
    0.46%
    2
    The Spanish Armada campaign 1588
    12.53%
    54
    Siege of Breda 1590
    6.96%
    30
    Battle of Sacheon 1592
    0.46%
    2
    Battle of Myeongnyang 1597
    2.32%
    10
    War against Sigismund: Battles of Stegeborg and Stangebro 1598
    3.48%
    15
    Battle of Kircholm 1605
    2.09%
    9
    Battle of Klushino 1610
    2.78%
    12
    Battle at White Mountain 1620
    5.57%
    24
    Battle of Nordlingen 1634
    2.32%
    10
    Battle of Edgehill 1642
    1.86%
    8
    Battle of Zhovti Vody 1648
    4.18%
    18
    Raid on Medway 1667
    2.55%
    11
    Siege of Vienna 1683
    9.98%
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    Last edited by Stratego; 23 Apr 10, 16:46.
    Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

    It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

    Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

    BORG

  • #2
    I'm glad to see the Wallachian-Ottoman War 1462 and the Battle of Zhovti Vody 1648 making good progress...they are not the so well known battles/campaings yet are receiving some good support and, IMO, they should

    However, I'm sorry to see the Siege of Breda 1590 falling behind !!!



    Greets,
    Stratego
    Last edited by Stratego; 24 Apr 10, 05:09.
    Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

    It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

    Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

    BORG

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    • #3
      There is not the the battle of Saint Quentin...!!!??????

      And what is the battle of Zhovty something?????
      And Myanmminggganamm?????
      A ME LE GUARDIE
      "Di noi tremò la nostra vecchia gloria. Tre secoli di fede e una vittoria". Gabriele D'Annunzio

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Granatiere View Post
        There is not the the battle of Saint Quentin...!!!??????

        And what is the battle of Zhovty something?????
        And Myanmminggganamm?????
        Don't just vote, learn my friend, just like I have ! Hahahhahiohoiiois
        Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

        It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

        Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

        BORG

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        • #5
          Part II Blunders... The Armada and Agincourt

          And we've got some early leaders in section two as well it seems. Favorites are the obvious choices it seesms, Agincourt and the defeat of the Spanish Armada. Both are well known, and have been featured in discussion at ACG in the past for those interested in making an informed choice. It may take a bit of searching, but I'd suspect you'll find something here. Less known is the third-place candidate, the Siege of Vienna. Perhaps someone will put forth a solid argument for that event.

          Let's throw a few notes down on the leading blunders...


          Originally posted by ala Wiki
          The Spanish Armada campaign 1588

          English losses were comparatively few, and none of their ships had been sunk.

          In the words of Geoffrey Parker, by 1588 'the capital ships of the Elizabethan navy constituted the most powerful battlefleet afloat anywhere in the world.

          In England, the boost to national pride lasted for years, and Elizabeth's legend persisted and grew long after her death. The victory was acclaimed by the English as their greatest since Agincourt.

          The Anglo-Spanish War dragged on to a stalemate that left Spanish power in Europe and the Americas undeniably dominant.
          Originally posted by ala Wiki
          Battle of Agincourt 1415

          Due to a lack of reliable sources it is impossible to give a precise figure for the French and English casualties.

          However, it is clear that though the English were outnumbered, their losses were far lower than those of the French.

          One widely used estimate puts the English casualties at 450, not an insignificant number in an army of about 8,500, but far less than the thousands the French lost, nearly all of whom were killed or captured.

          The French suffered heavily. Three dukes, at least eight counts, a viscount and an archbishop died, along with numerous other nobles.

          Estimates of the number of prisoners vary between 700 and 2,200, amongst them the Duke of Orléans (the famous poet Charles d'Orléans) and Jean Le Maingre (known as Boucicault) Marshal of France.
          Also noteworthy are Wallachian-Ottoman war and the Battle of Kircholm.

          First, we have Dracula, who manages to sneak-attack 200,000 Ottoman troops and run them off his land with a meager fighting force... Impressive.

          And Kircholm, the humiliating defeat of the Swedes in what must have been record time... are there no points for a quick finish?
          Last edited by Paul Mann III; 24 Apr 10, 14:54.
          "This life..., you know, "the life." You’re not gonna get any medals, kid. This is not a hero business; you don’t shoot people from a mile a way. You gotta stand right next to them... blow their heads off."

          BoRG

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          • #6
            Great list, Stratego! Thanks for your work on this.
            History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Napoleon Bonaparte
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            BoRG
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Torien View Post
              Great list, Stratego! Thanks for your work on this.
              Yes indeed - Thank you Stratego for all your very hard work

              I am not surprised to see The Spanish Armada campaign 1588 as being the leader in this section - even though a rough sea should not be viewed upon as a blunder.

              Unfortunatley Kircholm, and the humiliating defeat of the Swedes in what must have been record time is not receiving the attention it would be worth.
              The same goes for the GREATEST MILITARY BLUNDER in human history as being LECHFELD 955



              For those that might need a guide in regards to the determination of a Mammoth BLUNDER the above shown PC game Lechfeld might just be the source everybody has been longing for such a long time.

              http://aok.heavengames.com/news/Lechfeld2.jpg

              Regards
              Kruska
              Last edited by Kruska; 25 Apr 10, 07:25.

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              • #8
                I think that the Spanish Armada and the Battle of Agincourt are leading the polls because most folks have actually heard of them...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jose50 View Post
                  I think that the Spanish Armada and the Battle of Agincourt are leading the polls because most folks have actually heard of them...
                  Hello jose50,

                  you are sooooo correct - it is therefore my historic DUTY to inspire and open the eye of those really interested in military history to recognize and evaluate the BATTLE of LECHFELD 955 accordingly to it's true and overwhelming summation of blunders - never seen before or after.

                  Regards
                  Kruska

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kruska View Post
                    Hello jose50,

                    you are sooooo correct - it is therefore my historic DUTY to inspire and open the eye of those really interested in military history to recognize and evaluate the BATTLE of LECHFELD 955 accordingly to it's true and overwhelming summation of blunders - never seen before or after.

                    Regards
                    Kruska
                    ...And of course the battle of Karansebes in 1788, the Golden Spurs in 1302 and Morat in 1476 !



                    Greets,
                    Stratego
                    Last edited by Stratego; 25 Apr 10, 14:20.
                    Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

                    It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

                    Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

                    BORG

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stratego View Post
                      ...And of course the battle of Karansebes in 1788, the Golden Spurs in 1302 and Morat in 1476 !



                      Greets,
                      Stratego
                      And let us not forget the overwhelming blundering of
                      FRANCE 1940


                      Regards
                      Kruska

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                      • #12
                        Half way through the votes of part II of the Greatest Military Blunders we have some interesting results.

                        I’m glad to see that our members have decided to "extend their horizons" by voting on the less well known, but equally important conflicts in this one !

                        1. The Armada Campaign 1588 in the lead
                        2. Agincourt 1415 follows closely behind
                        3. The siege of Vienna 1683
                        4. Richard III is doing well here: Bosworth Field 1483
                        5. The Siege of Breda 1590
                        6. The Wallachian-Ottoman war 1462
                        7. Battle of the White Mountain 1620
                        8. And the battle of Zhovti Vody 1648 brings up the rear…

                        Runners–up are the War against Sigismund 1598 and the battle of Morgarten 1315

                        Does who havn’t yet, place your votes and change history !



                        Greets,
                        Stratego
                        Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

                        It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

                        Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

                        BORG

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                        • #13
                          And this lass - said: WHY Agincourt ??? WHY TEUTEBURG ???


                          The BELGIANShad taken the French blunders at Agincourt already to masteryat the BATTLE of THE

                          GOLDEN SPURS

                          And if not for the MEGA MILITARY BLUNDERS at LECHFELD 955 I wouldn't even be around.

                          Regards
                          Kruska

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                          • #14
                            I'm suprised at the all the votes White Mountain 1620 is getting !
                            It was a blunder -otherwise it wouldn't be up there- but there are certainly greater blunders up there that should receive more votes IMO...



                            I never thought that it would be so popular...especially since it's a moment of history that - for many- is shrouded in darkness !



                            Greets,
                            Stratego

                            And why is the Battle of Zhovti Vody 1648 suddenly falling behind????
                            Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

                            It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

                            Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

                            BORG

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stratego View Post
                              Half way through the votes of part II of the Greatest Military Blunders we have some interesting results.

                              I’m glad to see that our members have decided to "extend their horizons" by voting on the less well known, but equally important conflicts in this one !

                              1. The Armada Campaign 1588 in the lead
                              2. Agincourt 1415 follows closely behind
                              3. The siege of Vienna 1683
                              4. Richard III is doing well here: Bosworth Field 1483
                              5. The Siege of Breda 1590
                              6. The Wallachian-Ottoman war 1462
                              7. Battle of the White Mountain 1620
                              8. And the battle of Zhovti Vody 1648 brings up the rear…

                              Runners–up are the War against Sigismund 1598 and the battle of Morgarten 1315

                              Does who havn’t yet, place your votes and change history !



                              Greets,
                              Stratego
                              Nothing has changed here and personally I'm pretty happy with the results...although I personally feel White Mountain to be a lesser blunder and Medway and Klushino a greater blunder !!!

                              However, let's keep it that way !



                              Greets,
                              Stratego
                              Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.- Napoleon

                              It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

                              Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

                              BORG

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