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  • Brumbear
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    Matilda 2 was impervious to almost everything in it's time so was the KV1 but I also decided on the matilda.
    Excellent (36) - KV-1, Tiger 1 and 2, Churchill, Char B1-bis,

    Good (24) - Panther, Valentine, Souma S-35,

    OK (12) - T-34, M4, M3, PzIII and IV, Crusader, Cromwell, PzKpfw 38(t),IS 2

    Poor (0) - M 13-40/14-41/15-42, BT-5/7, Type 97 Chi-Ha.

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  • smallvillekalel
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    I'm thinking of putting the Matilda II on top also. I remember reading this true story somewhere(quote is not exact).A British POW in Africa is brought to the nearest officer with a complaint
    It's quite unfair of you Gerry's to use anti-aircraft guns against our tanks!
    The officer replies
    Is it not equally unfair of you Tommy's to use tanks which only an anti aircraft gun will penetrate?

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  • Nick the Noodle
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    Decided to go Matilda 2. Not quite as thick armour as the KV-1, but immune to all the same weapons (ie the vast majority of them) and a much smaller target.

    Excellent (36) - KV-1, Tiger 1 and 2, Churchill, Char B1-bis

    Good (24) - Panther, Valentine, Souma S-35, IS-2

    OK (12) - T-34, M4, M3, PzIII and IV, Crusader, Cromwell, PzKpfw 38(t)

    Poor (0) - M 13-40/14-41/15-42, BT-5/7, Type 97 Chi-Ha.

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  • panther3485
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    Criteria Information


    Welcome to the Protection & Survivability Poll; one of twelve polls where you will have the opportunity to help decide the greatest/best tank of WW2, as determined by our ACG membership.
    You are also invited to discuss/debate the protection & survivability attributes of all 21 tanks in this particular thread.


    3. Protection & Survivability (max 40 points)

    At the most obvious level, this is the degree of primary protection offered by the thickness, layout, slopes and curves of a tank's armour.
    However, a number of other factors come into play for protection and crew survivability, including:

    The quality of the armour
    Methods of fabrication & assembly (rolling, casting, riveting, welding etc) and the extent to which these affected overall strength, integrity and effectiveness of the armour shell and, in turn ...
    Possible negative effects of non-penetrating hits (e.g. spalling and loosened rivets)
    Features or design flaws that either enhanced or compromised the effectiveness of the armour
    Measures adopted to minimize the effects of a penetration (e.g. ammo stowage and fire control)
    Ease and safety of exit from the vehicle


    All Participants

    If you have not already done so, please vote for the one tank that you believe measures up best against this criterion.

    Level 2 Participants Only

    Now, rate the remaining 20 tanks using your choice of options (a) or (b)

    Option (a), Brackets

    Please rate the remaining 20 tanks by placing each of them into one of the brackets below:

    In your opinion, compared to other tanks during its period of first-line service, was the protection & survivability of the tank ...

    Excellent (36)
    Good (24)
    OK (12)
    Poor (0)

    Option (b), Incremental Scale

    Please rate the remaining 20 tanks in descending order of merit (best at the top, worst at the bottom) against the following scale ...

    2 (38)
    3 (36)
    4 (34)
    5 (32)
    6 (30)
    7 (28)
    8 (26)
    9 (24)
    10 (22)
    11 (20)
    12 (18)
    13 (16)
    14 (14)
    15 (12)
    16 (10)
    17 (8)
    18 (6)
    19 (4)
    20 (2)
    21 (0)
    Last edited by panther3485; 27 Apr 12, 11:11.

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  • Greatest/Best Tank - Protection & Survivability

    46
    Matilda II
    15.22%
    7
    Crusader
    0.00%
    0
    Churchill
    6.52%
    3
    Valentine
    0.00%
    0
    Cromwell
    0.00%
    0
    Somua S-35
    0.00%
    0
    Char B-1 bis
    2.17%
    1
    PzKpfw 38(t)
    0.00%
    0
    PzKpfw III
    2.17%
    1
    PzKpfw IV (short & long guns combined)
    2.17%
    1
    Tiger I
    19.57%
    9
    Panther
    4.35%
    2
    Tiger II
    34.78%
    16
    M 13-40/14-41/15-42
    0.00%
    0
    Type 97 Chi-Ha
    0.00%
    0
    BT-5/7
    0.00%
    0
    T-34 (76 and 85 combined)
    2.17%
    1
    KV-1
    6.52%
    3
    IS-2
    4.35%
    2
    M3 Medium
    0.00%
    0
    M4 Medium (all versions combined)
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.

    Tips for Participants

    If you have not already done so, for an outline explanation of what is going on and how the polling and scoring processes will work please consult the Master Thread (Mega-Poll - Greatest/Best Tank of WW2 - Master Thread) and read the first three posts I have placed there, before beginning your participation in the 12 polls:

    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=122093

    After you've read those first three posts (or if you've already done so), you are ready to start on the 12 poll threads.

    When you enter the poll threads, don't forget to read the Criteria Information (post #2 on each thread) for information on what's covered by that particular criterion; and precise details you'll need to register your score for all 21 of the tanks.
    Last edited by panther3485; 22 Apr 12, 12:59.

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