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  • Originally posted by dutched View Post
    Uhmmm. Like Mk I and FT 17 -> FT 17 and Vickers Medium aso?

    Ed.
    The proposed list of tanks will be up soon (I'm still working on it) and a separate thread will be opened for discussion and ideas from members, away from the WW2 sub-forum. Once we have the list decided, as well as whether we'll have 64 or 32 starters, then myself and a couple of other members can work on the pairings for the tournament. This may or may not be done 'behind the scenes'. (With the admittedly relatively few tournaments I've been involved with, IIRC its usually down to the author and a few others helping out.)

    In the meantime, I would ask everyone to be patient for a few more days, please. I've prepared an Excel spreadsheet listing all the possible 'candidate' tanks I can think of, which will then be distilled down to 64 or 32 as applicable. On that spreadsheet I am also entering basic data regarding things like dates of entry into service and some of the key features of the tanks that might make them worthy of consideration. This will help to eliminate some of the tanks that had relatively little influence on tank design and/or had insufficient significance in any other relevant way.

    At the latest, it should all be ready for presentation by this coming weekend, and feedback on the listings will be welcomed.
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    • Originally posted by dutched View Post
      Uhmmm. Like Mk I and FT 17 -> FT 17 and Vickers Medium aso?

      Ed.
      Yep .

      If we are truly talking about tanks that changed the influence of tank design, then (almost) last in line variants of their classification, such as the Churchill and Sherman, do not cut the mustard.

      When looking at influence, the British Mk1, French FT-17, Soviet BT-5 and IS-3 are hard to beat, but not all for the same reasons.

      ..

      Concerning the best WW2 tank, looking at the roles and tasks they had to play, as an idea, it might be best to consider relevance.

      The first role of a tank is to enable a battle to be won. The second role is to enable to exploit a won battle, and then win a campaign.

      Given that tank killing ability is also important, a ratio of 40/40/20 in battle winning/potential campaign winning/tank killing ability should be considered as far as scores are concerned.
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      • Tournament - Most Significant/Influential Tank

        Hi all,

        Please see my opening post in a new thread, to discuss the proposed campaign (tournament) for Most Significant/Influential Tank.

        http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...72#post2784972

        Your input and suggestions there are welcomed, and all will be considered carefully.

        Once details are finalized and everything is set up and ready to go, it is intended to activate this campaign in the usual place for such things, which is the Armchair Attacks sub-forum:

        http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=287


        All being well, I think (and hope) it should be well received by members.
        "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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        • Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
          Yep .

          If we are truly talking about tanks that changed the influence of tank design, then (almost) last in line variants of their classification, such as the Churchill and Sherman, do not cut the mustard.

          When looking at influence, the British Mk1, French FT-17, Soviet BT-5 and IS-3 are hard to beat, but not all for the same reasons.

          ..

          Concerning the best WW2 tank, looking at the roles and tasks they had to play, as an idea, it might be best to consider relevance.

          The first role of a tank is to enable a battle to be won. The second role is to enable to exploit a won battle, and then win a campaign.

          Given that tank killing ability is also important, a ratio of 40/40/20 in battle winning/potential campaign winning/tank killing ability should be considered as far as scores are concerned.
          Do I get this right Nick?
          You like the longevity of features of design for particular concept
          to be a part or total separate weighing factor?
          So mechanical features on let's say suspension and/or
          issues of classification/use: infantry and cavalry to give but a few examples.

          Ed.
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          • Guys, now that the discussion thread for the 'Most Significant/Influential Tank', (covering the entire history of the tank from 1916 to the present day, not just WW2) has been opened here:

            http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=146553

            ... could you all please post any comments or discussion of it on that thread rather than here. This thread is for the WW2 related polls.

            What I would like to see posted here, of course, are any comments, suggestions or discussion relating to our proposed 're-run' and revision of the Greatest/Best Tank of WW2 poll set. This should be up and running after the above mentioned Most Significant/Influential Tank campaign/Tournament, which I am proposing to run first.

            Thank you.
            "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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