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  • Lee vs. Grant (Round II) Corrected Match - Please Vote Again

    Due to a Campaign Chart in conflict with the original Brackets provided for submission, 2 matches were mistakenly aligned & submitted to the vote.

    We offer up our sincerest apologies for the mistake & now rectify it by replacing it with the proper match up.

    The 2 incorrect matches have now been closed & replaced by the correct match ups in keeping with the original Campagn Bracket lineups & they will close 1 day later than the other matches.

    Here are some facts for each player to help you in your voting (From Wikipedia):

    Robert Edward Lee, (January 19, 1807 – October 12, 1870) was a career United States Army officer, an engineer, and the most celebrated general of the Confederate forces during the American Civil War.

    Ulysses S. Grant, born Hiram Ulysses Grant (April 27, 1822 – July 23, 1885), was an American general and the eighteenth President of the United States (1869–1877). He achieved international fame as the leading Union general in the American Civil War. Grant first reached national prominence by taking Forts Henry and Donelson in 1862 in the first Union victories of the war. The following year, his brilliant campaign ending in the surrender of Vicksburg secured Union control of the Mississippi and—with the simultaneous Union victory at Gettysburg—turned the tide of the war in the North's favor. Named commanding general of the Federal armies in 1864, he implemented a coordinated strategy of simultaneous attacks aimed at destroying the South's ability to carry on the war. In 1865, after conducting a costly war of attrition in the East, he accepted the surrender of his Confederate opponent Robert E. Lee at Appomattox Court House. Grant has been described by J.F.C. Fuller as "the greatest general of his age and one of the greatest strategists of any age." His Vicksburg Campaign in particular has been scrutinized by military specialists around the world.

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  • #2
    I like the other bracket better


    • #3
      I think I liked the other one better too. I won't be voting against Lee anytime soon for any reason - I freely admit bias and hero worship!


      • #4
        ActuaLLY the argument here for me becomes simplier, and ill follow the lead given to us by history, and go with Grant..


        • #5
          Well for once we have a bracket with generals who actually fought each other, and Grant won so he gets my vote.


          • #6
            Originally posted by Biscuit View Post
            I freely admit bias and hero worship!
            yes, hero worship could well take Lee to the finals, but Grant gets my vote. He won in the West and in the East. He moved up the chain of command, eventually in charge of the whole Union Army. And, he won!


            • #7
              I went with Lee, but it was close. Not hero worship, but picking Grant because he won is like picking Monty over Rommel because Monty won, or Burnside over longstreet because Burnside won at Knoxville.


              • #8
                I live in Virginia in the city where Marse Robert met his wife and whooped Burnside. If I vote for Grant*, they'd make me leave.

                *Of course, I'd vote for Lee anyway.
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                • #9
                  Again, as with Grant vs. Jackson, Grant has the better record. Period. Lee forced no Federal army to surrender. Grant forced 3 Confederate armies to surrender, including Lee. And Grognard, I think your reasoning is flawed. If Lee lost every battle would you vote for him? You vote for him because he won battles. Grant also won battles. Grant won MORE battles than Lee. Lee lost more battles than Grant. When Grant went against Lee, Lee managed to get in a few good licks, but ultimately Grant preservered. I believe that is the point that Boon & Gallant are trying to make. I'll match Grant's last Vicksburg campaign against anything Lee put together.

                  Overcoming the "Marble Man" will be difficult, but I think Grant can do it.
                  The muffled drums sad roll has beat the soldier's last tatoo. No more on life's parade shall meet that brave and fallen few.


                  • #10
                    I had to go with Lee. If Lee had the resources Grant did; who knows what he could have done? But look at what he did with what he did have.
                    Eagles may fly; but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines!

                    "I'm not expendable; I'm not stupid and I'm not going." - Kerr Avon, Blake's 7

                    What didn't kill us; didn't make us smarter.


                    • #11
                      He won. Won again, then won some more.
                      Lee, noble in defeat. Excellent in retreat. Lost big at gettysburg. Nuff said.
                      History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Napoleon Bonaparte
                      "I am Arthur, King of the Britons!"


                      • #12
                        Lee trounced Grant while infirm. Lee repulsed repeated invasions by a superior foe. Lee creates panic among hatemongering journalists even today, where they resort to wartime propaganda from the New York Tribune to distort his image (US News and World Report's issue of last year). Grant preserved slavery:

                        Lee was a great offensive commander. Had he half the military power that Grant had at his disposal, he would have gotten at Grant's army and brought the childkillers in Washington to justice.


                        • #13
                          Lee did wonders against Grant with fewer resources--flip them and what do you have?


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RichardS View Post
                            I had to go with Lee. If Lee had the resources Grant did; who knows what he could have done? But look at what he did with what he did have.
                            That's the big question!


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RichardS View Post
                              But look at what he did with what he did have.
                              Yes, look at what he did! Wasted a corp at Gettysburg with a brilliant frontal charge and lost the war! Great work!


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