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  • Hannibal vs Scipio Africanus (Round 1)

    Here are some facts for each player to help you in your voting (From Wikipedia):

    Hannibal, the son of Hamilcar Barca, (247 BC – c. 183 BC;[1][2][3][4][5]) was a Punic military commander and politician, later also working in other professions, who is popularly credited as one of the finest commanders in history. He lived during a period of tension in the Mediterranean, when Rome (then the Roman Republic) established its supremacy over other great powers such as Carthage, Macedon, Syracuse and the Seleucid empire. He is one of the best-known Carthaginian commanders. His most famous achievement was at the outbreak of the Second Punic War, when he marched an army, which included war elephants, from Iberia over the Pyrenees and the Alps into northern Italy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

    Scipio Africanus, Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus Major (Latin: P·CORNELIVS·P·F·L·N·SCIPIO·AFRICANVS¹) (236–183 BC) was a general in the Second Punic War and statesman of the Roman Republic. He was best known for defeating Hannibal of Carthage, a feat that earned him the surname Africanus, the nickname the Roman Hannibal and recognition as one of the finest commanders in military history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipio_Africanus
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    Hannibal
    46.15%
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    Scipio Africanus
    53.85%
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  • #2
    Hannibal had elephants, enough said

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    • #3
      Scipio for me. Elephants didn't scare him.

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      • #4
        Scipio Africanus....the man who was THE ROMAN LEGIONAIRE.
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        • #5
          Scipio got my vote.
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          • #6
            Has to be Hannibal for me. Purely for his ability and vision to be able fight so many different and innovative styles of battle in a world of set piece warfare.

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            • #7
              Zama all over again?

              I went with Hannibal.
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              • #8
                Hannibal.

                Won when he shouldn't have. Even after fighting his way through all of Southern Europe, the Romans still underestimated him and got beat good!!!

                Scipio was just the man in charge of the retaliation campaign and copied Hannibal's tactics.
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                • #9
                  Scipio for me.

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                  • #10
                    This match pairs one who defeated the other in battle!

                    As it was... so it is, for me.

                    Scipio Africanus

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                    • #11
                      Scipio defeated both Hasdrubal and Hannible, both were geniuses, and both of his battles are turning points in history. Duh!
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                      • #12
                        Hypothetical question alert!

                        Would we even know who Scipio is if he hadn't defeated Hannibal?

                        I feel it is the greatness of his well known and acknowledged opponent who made Scipio a hero.

                        Rocky wouldn't have been a good story without acknowledging how great Appollo was.
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                        • #13
                          I don't know that well-known always correlates to great. Look at Slim. Alot of people have never heard of him and he fought as recently as WWII.

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                          • #14
                            Hannibal....because he had the stones to kill himself before being taken by the Roman intelligence agents who had hunted him down. More imaginative than Scipio....and afterall, no one ever tracked Scipio down to put a dagger in his ear, long after the fighting was done....sorta speaks to the danger of Hannibal's brilliant mind long after his state was kaput.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TrenchRat View Post
                              and afterall, no one ever tracked Scipio down to put a dagger in his ear, long after the fighting was done....sorta speaks to the danger of Hannibal's brilliant mind long after his state was kaput.

                              You could also use that point to show why Scipio was better; his state survived the war and he beat Hannibal.
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