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  • #16
    I say Manstein.
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    • #17
      It's neck and neck! 21 votes each!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Doctor Sinister View Post
        It's neck and neck! 21 votes each!

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        My votes should count twice. I'm special and I got the short bus to prove it.
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        • #19
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          • #20
            Manstein's maneuver skills are hard to beat. Slim couldn't do it, IMHO.
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            • #21
              Manstein did it all from strategic planning to success at corps armay and army group level. He also came up with ideas like Assault guns for infantry units. I'm surprised Slim is that close.

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              • #22
                I'm not. I am impressed that Slim is doing so good against the German fanboy section. I wonder what the Soviets have to say about Manstein and his prowess?
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RichardS View Post
                  I'm not. I am impressed that Slim is doing so good against the German fanboy section. I wonder what the Soviets have to say about Manstein and his prowess?
                  Manstein was more handicapped by Hitler than the Russians were by Stalin, at least by the time Manstein got above corps command.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by grognard View Post
                    Manstein was more handicapped by Hitler than the Russians were by Stalin, at least by the time Manstein got above corps command.
                    According to Manstein. I'd still like to see an honest Soviet appraisal of Manstein.
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                    • #25
                      What a shame Slim couldnt have been polled later on against Manstein, the debates we would get then..

                      ..still, this is tough, my admiration for both men precludes me from saying who i voted for, only one way i could decide, i had to flip a coin...!!!!!!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RichardS View Post
                        According to Manstein. I'd still like to see an honest Soviet appraisal of Manstein.
                        Also according to Hitler's verified no retreat orders, etc.

                        I'm not aware that the soviets have made honest appraisals of their own generals, let alone the opposition. All we hear in the threads is you can't judge the Soviets by normal standards.
                        Last edited by grognard; 02 Mar 08, 12:09.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RichardS View Post
                          According to Manstein. I'd still like to see an honest Soviet appraisal of Manstein.
                          Let's not be petty. Are you implying that all of Manstein's achievements are the figment of his imagination? If not, let's agree that others may have formed an opinion on Manstein based on something other than his memoirs.

                          To me, it's simple: the soviets had an opportunity to roll up the entire south wing of the front after Stalingrad. They didn't. In fact, the germans found themselves in a position to still consider an offensive in the next year. Manstein was in command on AG Don at the time, therefore he gets the credit.

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                          • #28
                            Probably a slim chance of winning, but that's maybe him.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by General Staff View Post
                              Probably a slim chance of winning, but that's maybe him.
                              No pun intended, eh?

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                              • #30
                                I just finished reading a book about his Sevastopol campaign. No way I could NOT vote for Manstein after that. His campaign was brilliant.

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