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    U.S. Cruiser Spots 2 Iranian Subs in Persian Gulf

    By ZACHARY M. PETERSON


    ABOARD THE CRUISER VICKSBURG IN THE PERSIAN GULF — Officials aboard the cruiser Vicksburg spotted and photographed two surfaced Iranian Kilo-class submarines in the Persian Gulf a few weeks ago, the ship’s skipper told U.S. Navy Secretary Donald Winter during a visit to the ship on Nov. 24
    The Russian-designed diesel-electric attack subs were tracked and photographed by sailors onboard the Mayport, Fla.-based ship, said Capt. Chip Swicker. Crew members showed Winter the photographs of the surfaced subs. The Vicksburg did not communicate with either of the subs, Swicker said.
    “They watched us and we watched them,” he said.
    Crew members aboard the cruiser didn’t consider the encounters hostile, although it wasn’t clear if the Iranian boats surfaced within view of the cruiser or if the U.S. warship happened to see the Iranian subs while they were already running on the surface. Iran has a fleet of three Kilo-class SSKs, according to Jane’s Fighting Ships.
    Swicker indicated the Vicksburg was close enough to Iranian waters at the times of the encounters that crew members didn’t consider it out of the ordinary to see Iranian navy vessels. Winter, accompanied by a Navy Times reporter, was aboard the ship as part of a nine-day trip through Iraq, Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf.
    The Vicksburg crew told Winter about their encounters less than a week before Iran’s top navy commander claimed it was expanding its undersea fleet. On Wednesday, Iran said it was launching its own, new, home-built submarine, reportedly called the Ghadir. Iranian officials boasted that the small diesel-electric sub would “give a crushing answer to enemies when needed thanks to domestically-made equipment” and could fire missiles that could hit Israel.
    The incidents recalled an encounter in October 2006 when a Chinese Song-class attack submarine surfaced near the carrier Kitty Hawk in the Western Pacific. Some analysts at the time called the act provocative, and pointed out the vulnerability of surface ships while they are shadowed by foreign submarines. It wasn’t clear whether Iranian sailors were attempting to send such a message to the Vicksburg.
    The Vicksburg is wrapping up a six-month deployment to the Persian Gulf, where since August it has conducted maritime security operations. The ship is due back in Mayport in January.
    Command Master Chief (SW) William Powell told Navy Times that the ship has spent much of its deployment patrolling the waters from the oil platforms in the northern Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Oman in the south. The ship has conducted several compliant boardings, but had not encountered any hostile ships during its time on the water, Powell said.
    The Vicksburg is one of several ships from 20 different nations that patrol the waters of the Middle East, including the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea to the south.
    “The amount of activity is increasing” in the waters surrounding the Middle East, including East Africa, said Capt. George Cox, chief of staff for Combined Maritime Forces in the region. Several other nations are considering participating in patrols in the Arabian Sea, he noted.
    Legitimate fishing vessels populate the waters under Cox’s oversight, where coalition naval forces focus on protecting the flow of oil out of the Persian Gulf. Occasionally ships will catch small-time pirates stealing a fishing dhow’s Global Positioning System unit, he said.
    “We always want more forces, but we have plenty to take care of the [oil platforms] and do some patrols of the waterways,” Cox explained.
    The captain said the fishermen in the region “love us.” Fishing vessels follow naval ships around for protection, Cox said.
    “I just wish they’d tell al-Jazeera,” he added, referring to the pan-Arab satellite news channel based in Qatar.
    Another goal of foreign naval forces in the region is building indigenous coast guard capabilities, Cox said.
    He cited progress made by Combined Task Force 150, which is responsible for the Arabian Sea, Red Sea and waters off the Horn of Africa, in training and working in collaboration with the Yemeni coast guard.
    Yemen is particularly concerned with human trafficking. Boats full of refugees from Somalia and Ethiopia come across the Gulf of Aden into the desert nation on the southwestern Arabian peninsula. Warships in the region report the positions of suspected vessels carrying human cargo, then the Yemenis capture the ships when they arrive in port, Cox explained.
    Further, the six or seven coalition ships that patrol the area work to show presence and deter pirates, he added. However, beyond responding to calls for help, it is a difficult to task to battle pirates who stay close to territorial waters on the Somali coastline, Cox said.
    Lt. John Gay, a spokesman for 5th Fleet, said that searching for pirates in the Arabian Sea is like “trying to find a needle in a haystack” and added that piracy is primarily a “law enforcement issue.”


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  • #2
    Wonder if the Iranian subs realized that there was probably a Improved LA class nuke attack boat sitting a few hundred feet below them , while they demonstrated their feat of intimidation!!!!!!!!!

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    • #3
      The thing is where else would two Iranian subs be but the Persian Gulf? Bit like a Royal Navy sub being spotted in the English Channel.

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      • #4
        Great to hear about the ongoing co-operation between coalition naval forces and the Yemenis concerning pirates, you know , its stories like these that never get told, ...unless you are a AGM member, great job, Centrix..!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by galland View Post
          Wonder if the Iranian subs realized that there was probably a Improved LA class nuke attack boat sitting a few hundred feet below them , while they demonstrated their feat of intimidation!!!!!!!!!
          Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
          The thing is where else would two Iranian subs be but the Persian Gulf? Bit like a Royal Navy sub being spotted in the English Channel.
          I think it was pretty remarkable that Iran was able to have 2/3 of its Kilos at sea at the same time...
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          • #6
            That's all that 80-95 dollar oil money talking......
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • #7
              Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
              The thing is where else would two Iranian subs be but the Persian Gulf? Bit like a Royal Navy sub being spotted in the English Channel.

              Very true.
              Those that forget history are condemed to repeat it.
              If you're going to be one you might as well be a BIG RED ONE

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Combatengineer View Post
                That's all that 80-95 dollar oil money talking......
                That says wonders for Iran's Thugocratic economy...Record high prices for their primary source of revenue and they can manage to put two Kilos to sea...well sort of at sea...at the same time.

                I wonder if they can manage to operate both at the same time while submerged...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                  That says wonders for Iran's Thugocratic economy...Record high prices for their primary source of revenue and they can manage to put two Kilos to sea...well sort of at sea...at the same time.

                  I wonder if they can manage to operate both at the same time while submerged...
                  Depends on if the Q8ties have refined the oil for them into diesel......
                  “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                  “To talk of many things:
                  Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                  Of cabbages—and kings—
                  And why the sea is boiling hot—
                  And whether pigs have wings.”
                  ― Lewis Carroll

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by galland View Post
                    Great to hear about the ongoing co-operation between coalition naval forces and the Yemenis concerning pirates, you know , its stories like these that never get told, ...unless you are a AGM member, great job, Centrix..!

                    Thank you pard my pleasure.

                    Now Copenhagen has a good point reference their sited location but i found it interesting for a lot of reasons.


                    a. was in an act of taunting? given the recent diclosure of new systems.

                    b. did Vicksburg catch em napping close to Int line?

                    c. if their operational status placed them there then where/what was their more probable course of action and mission? ie. interdicion/raid/intell/psycho-propo....

                    etc...etc. course i'll never know. but thanks to all who responded.

                    best
                    CV

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Combatengineer View Post
                      Depends on if the Q8ties have refined the oil for them into diesel......
                      Or Hugo Chavez...

                      Iran has to import 40% of its gasoline, diesel and other refined petroleum products. It appears that they had already spent their entire annual fuel import budget in the first half of the year...
                      Iran needs billions more dollars for fuel import

                      Web posted at: 10/16/2007 2:25:29
                      Source ::: Agencies

                      TEHRAN • Iran needs to request an extra two billion dollars to import petrol after its original budget allocation ran out half way through the year, the Isna news agency reported yesterday.

                      The shortfall comes despite a rationing plan imposed in June that aimed to curb Iran’s massive imports of refined oil products made necessary by its frenzied consumption and lack of refineries.

                      “For imports of petrol and diesel in the second half of this year, we have asked (the oil ministry) for $2.3bn,” the managing director of National Iranian Oil Products Distribution Company, Nouredin Shahnazi Zadeh, was quoted as saying.

                      Some $1.5bn of that figure is needed for petrol and $830m for gas oil, he explained.

                      He said that rising global market prices had already meant the budget for imports of petrol for the Iranian year to March 2008 had been exhausted.

                      The budget allowance had been set by parliament at $2.5bn, and the government will now need to ask parliament for the extra allowance to last the rest of the year.

                      Iran is the world’s fourth largest oil producer, but its lack of refineries and colossal consumption encouraged by a heavy state subsidy on fuels means it must import 40 per cent of its petrol requirements...LINK
                      What's even funnier? Despite record high (depending on how records are calculated) oil prices and the fact that Iran is second only to Saudi Arabia (by some estimates) in crude oil reserves...Iran has to run an annual budget deficit in order to fund their Thugocracy. IIRC they are the only major oil exporting nation that runs a budget deficit.

                      So Iran has to import the diesel fuel to keep two Kilos (out of three) running...And it has to borrow money to buy the diesel...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                        I think it was pretty remarkable that Iran was able to have 2/3 of its Kilos at sea at the same time...
                        You didn;t see the towing cable?

                        HP
                        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                          Or Hugo Chavez...

                          Iran has to import 40% of its gasoline, diesel and other refined petroleum products. It appears that they had already spent their entire annual fuel import budget in the first half of the year...


                          What's even funnier? Despite record high (depending on how records are calculated) oil prices and the fact that Iran is second only to Saudi Arabia (by some estimates) in crude oil reserves...Iran has to run an annual budget deficit in order to fund their Thugocracy. IIRC they are the only major oil exporting nation that runs a budget deficit.

                          So Iran has to import the diesel fuel to keep two Kilos (out of three) running...And it has to borrow money to buy the diesel...
                          That is rich, no pun intended. It seems we live in a circus, clowns every where.
                          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                          • #14
                            So Iran has to import the diesel fuel to keep two Kilos (out of three) running...And it has to borrow money to buy the diesel

                            not to fear Doc their good buddies in the DPRK and the PRC will continue to prop up that anti-social regime...not to mention the appeasement of selected members of the EU.

                            best
                            CV

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                              Or Hugo Chavez...

                              Iran has to import 40% of its gasoline, diesel and other refined petroleum products. It appears that they had already spent their entire annual fuel import budget in the first half of the year...


                              What's even funnier? Despite record high (depending on how records are calculated) oil prices and the fact that Iran is second only to Saudi Arabia (by some estimates) in crude oil reserves...Iran has to run an annual budget deficit in order to fund their Thugocracy. IIRC they are the only major oil exporting nation that runs a budget deficit.

                              So Iran has to import the diesel fuel to keep two Kilos (out of three) running...And it has to borrow money to buy the diesel...
                              I read the borrowing part as the distribution company (part of the Iranian government) borrowing the money from the Iranian Oil Ministry. In other words borrowing it from themselves.
                              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                              “To talk of many things:
                              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                              Of cabbages—and kings—
                              And why the sea is boiling hot—
                              And whether pigs have wings.”
                              ― Lewis Carroll

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