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  • Iraq is a quagmire

    ... for al-Qaeda!

    What, you think I was going to post an anti-war article? NO WAY! Especially not when the forces of good and righteousness is winning.

    It's true: Iraq is a quagmire
    But the real story is not something you have heard
    Sunday, November 18, 2007
    By Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    We're floundering in a quagmire in Iraq. Our strategy is flawed, and it's too late to change it. Our resources have been squandered, our best people killed, we're hated by the natives and our reputation around the world is circling the drain. We must withdraw.

    No, I'm not channeling Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. I'm channeling Osama bin Laden, for whom the war in Iraq has been a catastrophe. Al-Qaida had little presence in Iraq during the regime of Saddam Hussein. But once he was toppled, al-Qaida's chieftains decided to make Iraq the central front in the global jihad against the Great Satan.

    "The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this third world war, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic nation," Osama bin Laden said in an audiotape posted on Islamic Web sites in December 2004. "It is raging in the land of the Two Rivers. The world's millstone and pillar is Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate."

    Jihadis, money and weapons were poured into Iraq. All for naught. Al-Qaida has been driven from every neighborhood in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Joseph Fil, the U.S. commander there, said Nov. 7. This follows the expulsion of al-Qaida from two previous "capitals" of its Islamic Republic of Iraq, Ramadi and Baquba.

    Al-Qaida is evacuating populated areas and is trying to establish hideouts in the Hamrin mountains in northern Iraq, with U.S. and Iraqi security forces, and former insurgent allies who have turned on them, in hot pursuit. Forty-five al-Qaida leaders were killed or captured in October alone.

    Al-Qaida's support in the Muslim world has plummeted, partly because of the terror group's lack of success in Iraq, more because al-Qaida's attacks have mostly killed Muslim civilians.

    "Iraq has proved to be the graveyard, not just of many al-Qaida operatives, but of the organization's reputation as a defender of Islam," said StrategyPage.

    Canadian columnist David Warren speculated some years ago that enticing al-Qaida to fight there was one of the reasons why President Bush decided to invade Iraq. The administration has made so many egregious mistakes that I doubt the "flypaper" strategy was deliberate. But it has worked out that way. It may have been a mistake for the United States to go to war in Iraq. But it's pretty clear now it was a blunder for al-Qaida to have done so.

    You may not be aware of the calamities that have befallen al-Qaida, because our news media have paid scant attention to them.

    "The situation has changed so unmistakably and so swiftly that we should be reading proud headlines daily," said Ralph Peters, a retired Army lieutenant colonel. "Where are they?"

    Richard Benedetto was for many years the White House correspondent for USA Today. Now retired, he teaches journalism at American University in Washington, D.C.

    When U.S. troop deaths hit a monthly high in April, that was front-page news in most major newspapers, Mr. Benedetto noted. But when U.S. troop deaths fell in October to their lowest levels in 17 months, that news was buried on page A-14 of The Washington Post and mentioned on Page A-12 in The New York Times. (The Post-Gazette put the story on the front page.)

    "I asked the class if burying or ignoring the story indicated an anti-war bias on the part of the editors or their papers," Mr. Benedetto said. "While some students said yes ... most attributed the decision to poor news judgment. They were being generous."

    Mr. Peters suspects the paucity of news coverage from Iraq these days is because "things are going annoyingly well."

    Rich Lowry agrees. "The United States may be the only country in world history that reverse-propagandizes itself, magnifying its setbacks and ignoring its successes so that nothing can disturb what Sen. Joe Lieberman calls the 'narrative of defeat,' " he wrote in National Review.

    If what Mr. Peters, Mr. Benedetto and Mr. Lowry suspect is true, it must have pained The Associated Press to see a correspondent write Wednesday: "The trend toward better security is indisputable." It'll be interesting to see which newspapers run the AP story, and where in the paper they place it.

    "We've won the war in the real Iraq, but few people in America are familiar with anything other than its make-believe version," said the Mudville Gazette's "Greyhawk," a soldier currently serving his second tour in Iraq.

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    With all due respect Ogukuo...I'm finding this as hard to swallow as anything written by Andrew Bolt. As I said before...our Federal election is only six days away now and the government is looking like it will be annihilated. You'd think ANY good news from Iraq might rate a mention from their ever more desperate ranks?
    The truth? You can't handle the truth! No truth handler you! I deride your truth handling abilities!
    Sideshow Bob.

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    • #3
      Hmm. Not familiar with the guy. But he's making good points.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Geek44 View Post
        With all due respect Ogukuo...I'm finding this as hard to swallow as anything written by Andrew Bolt.
        Well, I know it's better not to upset you with facts since you already have your mind made up, but obviously Jack Kelly did what an investigative reporter did what one is suppose to do and didn't trot out the typical liberal nonsense.
        Last edited by Trailboss49; 18 Nov 07, 21:12.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
          "When U.S. troop deaths hit a monthly high in April, that was front-page news in most major newspapers, Mr. Benedetto noted. But when U.S. troop deaths fell in October to their lowest levels in 17 months, that news was buried on page A-14 of The Washington Post and mentioned on Page A-12 in The New York Times."
          Might very well explain the lack of your hearing or seeing much in Oz, Geek...

          SOP&MOftGMSM!

          Typical, actually!

          Last edited by Admiral; 18 Nov 07, 22:39.
          On the Plains of Hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who, at the dawn of victory, sat down to rest-and resting... died. Adlai E. Stevenson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ogukuo72 View Post
            Hmm. Not familiar with the guy. But he's making good points.
            Yes you are. He's the guy that wrote the 'War in Iraq is Won' article you posted last week.

            Wes, we have a federal election in five days actually, not six as I said above. The guy that sent our troops to Iraq despite massive public disapproval looks like he's going to lose badly (yay!). If he had a sniff of good news he'd be crowing from the rooftops. Remember, this isn't just an American war. It matters to us too and it's been an election issue during the campaigns. I'm trying to see this through the eyes of my internal soldier, not my internal left-wing radical. The only window most of us have on the war is the media. I just find it hard to believe that all the media has suddenly gone anti-war and is supressing the 'truth'. By the way... what does SOP&MOftGMSM mean?
            Keep in mind that I'm largely unfamiliar with the US newspapers and their leanings.
            The truth? You can't handle the truth! No truth handler you! I deride your truth handling abilities!
            Sideshow Bob.

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            • #7
              Anything written by a jounalist is subject to scrutiny.

              The difference is whether we want to read and weigh the words or not.

              I may be wrong, but it appears that Ogukuo is looking for positives in the articles while Geek is leary of the writer's words. Classic struggle, eh?
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              • #8
                Well I was definitely very leery of Andrew Bolt's article. The other guy I know nothing about.
                The truth? You can't handle the truth! No truth handler you! I deride your truth handling abilities!
                Sideshow Bob.

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                • #9
                  Sorry, Geek...

                  Standard Operating Procedures & Modus Operandi of the Global Main Stream Media

                  They operate contrary to politicos if the story doesn't fit their own agendas...

                  No matter who is in power.

                  On the Plains of Hesitation lie the blackened bones of countless millions who, at the dawn of victory, sat down to rest-and resting... died. Adlai E. Stevenson

                  ACG History Today

                  BoRG

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Admiral View Post
                    Might very well explain the lack of your hearing or seeing much in Oz, Geek...

                    SOP&MOftGMSM!

                    Typical, actually!


                    Here ya go! this might help in your communication with the DownUnders

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                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • #11
                      This is not a sudden or unexpected development. This has been coming for several months, ever since GEN Petraeus took his command and the strategy for Iraq was significantly altered and improved. I've been saying during those months that exactly what has come to pass would happen. (Search for my posts from December 2006 through the first half of this year. You'll see.) But to the willfully blind and vapid ideologues it appears to be some "sudden, inexplicable catastrophe" to their defeat-invested "narrative." Where is your hoped-for "Divine Wind" of civil war, Mr. Defeatist? It didn't materialize. AQI has been "run outta town on a rail;" and for the most part JAM has laid down their weapons and joined the political process. In the big picture, all that remains to be done now is "finish" the reconstruction process and move forward with the national political reconciliation currently underway. Because of their willful disregard of reality, the defeatists were taken completely by surprise, and they now stand dazed and disbelieving, grasping at any straw that still gives them a glimmer of "hope" that the U.S. will be defeated in Iraq.

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                      • #12
                        Since the inept people in charge have been expelled from Iraq, both civilian and military, things have changed. The man in charge should be held accountable for his choices of people to run this theatre. Overall, the resignation of Rumsfeld and his "war on the cheap" strategy is history. The best thing to happen was Gen. Petraeus, his sub-ordinates Gen. Odierno and Col. Mc Master. The Awakening movements are the most remarkable success. The decimation of the Mahdi was needed. The intel. is flowing, much of it actionable, and so we hear of AQ leaders in body bags. This "mess" could have been avoided. If only the right people were in place earlier.

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                        • #13
                          I'm still puzzled by who is Andrew Bolt, or why his name was brought up at all. The article was written by Jack Kelly.

                          You know, I had expected the Americans to have to stay for quite a while in Iraq, but now it seems, withdrawal by Nov 08 might just be possible. Let's hope for the best.

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                          • #14
                            News organizations only like to report bad news, it's good for circulation, rating (meaning revenue) and for most papers these day (so it seems) in order to push anti-Bush, anti Republican agenda's here in the U.S..
                            Those that forget history are condemed to repeat it.
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                            • #15
                              If people have access to the internet they can find factual data and writings dealing with the mid-east. But many liberals do not want to be confused with the facts since they have their mind already made up. They will just go to their usual resources which spoon feed them paplum that make them 'feel' that they are right. Data and logic have nothing to do with their debates, it's how they 'feel' that is important.
                              "If you are right, then you are right even if everyone says you are wrong. If you are wrong then you are wrong even if everyone says you are right." William Penn.

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