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    "The United States has faced defeat in many of its projects, and the US humiliation is truly a blessed phenomenon."

    "The Americans came to the region chanting slogans on democracy, and the most obvious political event in contemporary history is their absolute defeat.

    "They put forth their Greater Middle East Initiative after that, but the thirty-three day brave resistance of the Lebanese Resistance, led by Hezbollah, totally annihilated the US plan, once more strengthening the foundations of the global anti-oppression campaign."

    "Even their own analysts are urged to confess today that the US has to seek for a one dictatorship regime in Iraq, proposing bringing back to the scene the Ba'th Party, minus Saddam, but they had better realize that is no more than a dream that would never come true."

    "The great Iraqi nation would by grace of God never permit the emergence of new dictators in their country."

    "The other blessed development of our era is the awakening of the world nations, that is a blessed fruit of the great Islamic Revolution (of the Iranian nation)."

    "During the course of the past week the US and British officials had two very meaningful confessions."

    "The spokesman of the British Foreign Ministry said hat the British Government has fully lost its prestigious status and popularity in the Middle East and the US media wrote that Washington's support for any candidate in Middle East elections would cost him being a permanent loser in his country."

    "The Americans keep on propagating in Iraq that Iran is the real cause or lack of security there, repeating it a thousand different ways, but the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maleki in his Tehran visit spoke of Iran's positive role in his country."

    "Mr. Maleki thus proved he does not heed the US political anti-Iranian campaign, and of course that is what is expected from the popular government of Mr. al-Maleki."

    "Mr. Maleki's government has the backing of the Iraqi people, and the Islamic Republic of Iran feels obliged to support it, as we have so far done so in various fields."

    "(The Afghan president) Mr. Hamid Karzai, too, said at a joint press conference with (US President George W.) Bush that Iran plays a positive role in Afghanistan."

    "Such remarks are proof for the rational thinking of Iran's neighbors and we hope the other neighbors, too, would behave similarly, since the occupiers have to leave the region, but the Islamic Iran would remain here,"

    "They are also proof that the US and Israel have by grace of God faced defeat in their efforts aimed at sowing seeds of discord between Iran and its neighbors."

    "The powerful Iran ensures you security, and is ready to help you solve your problems."

    http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/lin...9650183838.htm

  • #2
    Usual propoganda nonsense. Best thing is to ignore it. The problem is the media dont.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
      Usual propoganda nonsense. Best thing is to ignore it.

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      • #4
        I think that is an unfair response to what i meant and certainly a misreading of it. Im more than aware of Irans threat in that region. What I mean is whilst we are very vigilant to what they do and plan we should not openly react to nonsense like that from Iran. It makes us look rattled and thats what they want.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
          What I mean is whilst we are very vigilant to what they do and plan we should not openly react to nonsense like that from Iran. It makes us look rattled and thats what they want.
          Apart from the rhetoric about democracy and the usual islam resistance front against oppression rhetoric, I don't think the core points presented there are nonsense.

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          • #6
            It's rhetoric, but rhetoric from a position of strength. We handed the Iranians a big, fat present with a bow on top when we invaded Iraq. They're going to mess with us because we put ourselves in a position to let them mess with us. Our big trump card of retalitory strikes flew out the window the minute we invaded Iraq. Not only do we not have the man power to invade Iran, but we can't afford to **** them off too much less they unleash their proxies in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Hezbollah in Lebanon. Talk about a mess.
            "The State is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else."

            Frederic Bastiat

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            • #7
              Considering they declared war on the US back in '79, and the US response, it's about time. Let's see...

              April 1983 United States Embassy bombing which killed 17 Americans.... the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing which killed 241 U.S. peace keepers in Lebanon, ..... the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing.

              Muhammad Khatami, then minister of Islamic Orientation, wrote that the Islamic Republic was waging war "against Global Arrogance led by the United States" on behalf of mankind as a whole. In 1986, Hashemi Rafsanjani, then speaker of the parliament, went further: "We are at war with the United States - a war which must end with the victory of Islam over the Infidel led by America."

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              • #8
                Basically a political speech . . .

                In the US you have to start your stump speech by talking about what a great "city/state/country this is." In Khatami's case, being a Muslim doesn't trump being a politician and "the Great Satan" is the local mantra. Exactly how accruate his statements are isn't that relevant. He has to say something like this, it's expected.

                ATM neither the US nor Iran wants to give any ground publicly while they maneuver on the ground in the ME and at the negotiating table. Expect more speechs of condemnation in the months ahead.
                Last edited by GCoyote; 17 Aug 07, 18:49. Reason: left out TWO words that time. grrrrr.
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                • #9
                  Expect American arms to be dropped on Iran before January, 2009.
                  "If you are right, then you are right even if everyone says you are wrong. If you are wrong then you are wrong even if everyone says you are right." William Penn.

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                  • #10
                    Putting aside the propaganda, most of what he said was true.

                    What if you declared war on Iraq and Iran won?

                    Thats really the problem at this point, and with our troops stretched to the breaking point, there is really nothing that we can do, can we?
                    Regards,

                    Scooter

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                    • #11
                      Multiple options . . .

                      Originally posted by Scooter123 View Post
                      Putting aside the propaganda, most of what he said was true.

                      What if you declared war on Iraq and Iran won?

                      Thats really the problem at this point, and with our troops stretched to the breaking point, there is really nothing that we can do, can we?
                      The USN/USAF are not that busy that they couldn't drop what they were doing [sorry - couldn't help myself] and bomb pretty much anything in Iran we thought needed a good bombing. Despite the fact that W is tied in political knots with Congress he could still order bombing and the Iranians can't be sure he won't. So that's another poker chip in the pile.

                      If the Iranian theocracy wasn't so rabidly anti-American we'd be okay with the idea of Iran policing the Persian Gulf as the Arabs remain too fractious to keep their houses in order. That was one-half of the original reason for supporting the Shah, the other half being containing Soviet expansion. As the old generation of Iranian revolutionaries dies out and the population demands a better economy and less repression, we could easily see a thaw in US-Iranian relations.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Scooter123 View Post
                        Putting aside the propaganda, most of what he said was true.

                        What if you declared war on Iraq and Iran won?

                        Thats really the problem at this point, and with our troops stretched to the breaking point, there is really nothing that we can do, can we?
                        Surely thou doest jest. How many carrier forces do we have floating around not doing anything except making large circles in the water? Me thinks that they could launch a couple of thousand aircraft in quick order and drop more ordance on Iran than they have camels.
                        Last edited by Trailboss49; 18 Aug 07, 06:55.
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                        • #13
                          There seems to be an over-estimation of USA air-power here. Granted, we do have a smoking good airforce, but time has shown that air-power has it's limits. We may unleash some sorties on Iran, but the success of such sorties is rather questionable and the backlash from Iran is going to to hit us where it hurts.
                          "The State is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else."

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                          • #14
                            Hi guys, I read it somewhat differently.

                            Khatami is a conservative, and he certainly is no lover of the US. But he's also worried about Ahmanejadid and he's radical position. I have no sympathy for Khatami over this, of course, as it was because of his machinations (to keep reformers from the presidency) that led to Ahmanejadid being elected in the first place rather than Rafsanjani that Khatami supported, but this also mean that Khatami is no friend of the president and is doing much to restrain the man.

                            His declaration of victory can be seen as a good sign - in the usual topsy-turvy world of Third World Politics - for experience has shown that in order for third-world dictators to give concessions, they have to declare victory first! This could mean that Iran is getting ready to deal at some level.

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                            • #15
                              Found an article that sums up the recently warming relations between Iraq and Iran:

                              *Maliki made his first official trip to Iran in September 2006, while the first visit by an Iraqi premier since the fall of Saddam was made by Maliki's predecessor, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, in July 2005.

                              *Iraq President Jalal Talabani has been a frequent visitor to Tehran, his last trip coming in June.

                              *Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki visited Tehran earlier this month

                              *Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki visited Iraq himself in May 2006 while Iran's top national security official Ali Larijani travelled to the conflict-torn country in April 2007.

                              And the cherry on top of it all:

                              Iranís Ahmadinejad plans to visit Iraq

                              Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki invited Ahmadinejad

                              http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=21808

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