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    Found this and thought it was pretty cool. Just wanted to see what you guys that about it. Also below the article there is another link with more pictures.

    http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedS...7.NwsfmIrq.htm

    Time Frame: Late Summer, 2003 The MiG Dig

    The story involves an Iraqi jet fighter being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops. The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25 Foxbat, was found buried in the sand after an informant tipped off U.S. troops.

    The MiG was dug out of a massive sand dune near the Al Taqqadum airfield by U.S. Air Force recovery teams. The MiG was reportedly one of over two dozen Iraqi jets buried in the sand, like hidden treasure, waiting to be recovered at a later date. Contrary to what some in the major media have reported, not all the jets found were from the Gulf War era.



    The Russian-made MiG-25 Foxbat being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops in the photos is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the West and is equipped with sophisticated electronic warfare devices.U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the MiG, which is over 70 feet long and weighs nearly 25 tons. The Foxbat is known to be one of Iraq's top jet fighters. The advanced electronic reconnaissance version found by the U.S. Air Force is currently in service with the Russian air force. The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour, or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.



    The recovery of the advanced MiG fighter is considered to be an intelligence coup by the U.S. Air Force.. The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.
    The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and, in many cases, had their wings removed before being buried more than 10 feet beneath the Iraqi desert. The discovery of the buried Iraqi jet fighters illustrates the problem faced by U.S. inspection teams searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is larger in size than California, and the massive deserts south and west of Baghdad were used by Saddam Hussein to hide weapons during the first Gulf war.



    U.S. intelligence sources have already uncovered several mass grave burial sites in the open deserts with an estimated 10,000 dead hidden there. In addition, Iraq previously hid SCUD missiles, chemical weapons and biological warheads by burying them under the desert sand.
    U.N. inspection teams found the weapons in the early 1990s after detailed information of the exact locations was obtained. Top U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay is known to favor human intelligence as the primary means to find Iraq's hidden treasure trove of weapons and secrets.



    While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands.

    Some critics of the Bush administration have claimed that the inability of U.S.. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the president misled the nation into the war with Iraq. However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely. Bush administration officials are keeping any such discoveries secret for the moment.
    Also heres another link with some more pictures.
    http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...5/story019.htm

    Thanks for looking!!

  • #2
    Great story! Thx for the link!
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    • #3
      The Foxbat is an antique and if Iraq was still flying them it only shows how desperate they were. Except ... what the heck did they bury it for? Unless it was buried for a long time. Maybe they were buried during the Cold War. Foxbats in the hands of the Iraqis then, now that would be exciting.
      Get the US out of NATO, now!

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      • #4
        Maybe Migs buried during the Gulf War 1 ?

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        • #5
          The Mig 25's were used in the Iran-Iraq War. Saddam buried them before the war with the USA in order to hide them.

          If Mig 25s are recovered by the USA, they may have embargo breaking French or Russian electronics on them that will continue to prove that France and Russia were against the USA not for reasons of "principle" but simply because they are are ****** that will sell anything to anyone.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Custer6
            The Mig 25's were used in the Iran-Iraq War. Saddam buried them before the war with the USA in order to hide them.

            If Mig 25s are recovered by the USA, they may have embargo breaking French or Russian electronics on them that will continue to prove that France and Russia were against the USA not for reasons of "principle" but simply because they are are ****** that will sell anything to anyone.
            Everybody (in America) say that the French broke the embargo between 91 et 2003, but we still wait the proofs.

            LaPalice.
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            Mort devant Pavie.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Custer6
              ...that will continue to prove that France and Russia were against the USA not for reasons of "principle" but simply because they are are ****** that will sell anything to anyone.
              Absolutely correct! They should have behaved like the USA during the Iran/Iraq war, yes ?
              "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

              Henry Alfred Kissinger

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SparceMatrix
                The Foxbat is an antique and if Iraq was still flying them it only shows how desperate they were. Except ... what the heck did they bury it for? Unless it was buried for a long time. Maybe they were buried during the Cold War. Foxbats in the hands of the Iraqis then, now that would be exciting.
                The MiG 25 is an "antique" how?! Although ORIGINALLY produced in 1967, its avionics and other systems, to include radar and EW assets, are now very sophisticated in the "F" version. The Foxbat can be compared to the MiG 31. Just because an airframe is old does NOT make it antiquated in any way. The US JUST finished retiring the 60's-Era SR-71 and the U-2!

                In addition, the MiG 25 is basically an "Export" aircraft,...the airframe was still being built as late as 2000.

                As to why bury them - they can easily be returned to service and used. Also, if you wanted to prevent an enemy from knowing your total strength, what would YOUR do if building shelters would just be announcing that you have something IN them? Burying "booty" goes way back, and has always been a preferred method of hiding things from notice.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LaPalice
                  Everybody (in America) say that the French broke the embargo between 91 et 2003, but we still wait the proofs.

                  LaPalice.
                  Proof? Where have you been the last 2 years? France and Germany have already ADMITTED to it!

                  Should we now refer to you as LaOstrich?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CPangracs
                    Proof? Where have you been the last 2 years? France and Germany have already ADMITTED to it!

                    Should we now refer to you as LaOstrich?
                    Can you show me where France and Germany admitted that they broke the rules of the embargo ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kraut
                      Absolutely correct! They should have behaved like the USA during the Iran/Iraq war, yes ?
                      No kidding. If they're going to be ****** and sell weaopns to anyone, they should at least be fair and sell them to both sides at the same time .
                      "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

                      – Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis, Olmstead vs. United States.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LaPalice
                        Can you show me where France and Germany admitted that they broke the rules of the embargo ?
                        I can't do that, but what I can show you is how the US and it's allies used propoganda to make people think there was proof that France and Germany broke the embargo.

                        I can go even further and show you proof that it worked, but you're already looking at it.
                        "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

                        – Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis, Olmstead vs. United States.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kraut
                          Absolutely correct! They should have behaved like the USA during the Iran/Iraq war, yes ?
                          Kraut, doing business for profit with a mass murderer for any reason is a grave crime, grave crime against the lives and dignity of the people who suffered at his hands. Doing so covertly in defiance of the international community ads insult to the injury. This pattern of behavior is not worthy of countries like Germany or France, it's worth some third world African country with illiterate population and gangsters as government. German and French business & political leaders are among the most sophisticated and creative in the world. A filthy poor country like my native Poland would be a great candidate because its business leaders are such pathetic wannabies for most part, but not France or Germany.

                          As much as it troubles me, I have to second the claim that French and German governments are guilty of economic and political prostitution. Saddam was ripping off and starving his own countrymen in order to give those lucrative deals to the European allies. The heat for the starvation and birth defects of the Iraqi children was shifted onto the United States for the "evil American embargo".

                          I don't know, maybe we underestimate the price of oil in the business world, maybe its more valuable than blood indeed. Business leaders, whether American or European are the same brand of stinky feces, like that ***** Martha Stewart. With a few exceptions.
                          Last edited by MonsterZero; 09 Mar 04, 16:22.

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                          • #14
                            Come on! If France and Germany are guilty, then the US is most definately more guilty. International arms sales is a murky business in the first place, and casting slurs like ****** in regards to European businesses doing, gasp, business, then what do we call US "encouraging" Singapore to buy the F-16 by threatening to cut off their supply of parts? Good business???

                            I'm ambivalent with regards to French/German business dealings, but it gets my goat when Americans are so patriotically blind as to the reality of their own country - it's neither the Great Satan, nor the Great Nation, just one of many, and with the same foibles as the rest, if not more...
                            Now listening too;
                            - Russell Robertson, ruining whatever credibility my football team once had.

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                            • #15
                              Do any of the hypocrites remember Iran-Contra, where the US was selling arms to the murderers in Iran, who Reagan had cut a deal with the Ayatollah's thugs to hold onto the hostages long enough to cause Carter to lose the 1980 Presidential Election, and then funneling the illegal profits to the murderous Contras in Nicaragua, who operated out of countries (El Slavador, Honduras and Guatemala) that we sold arms to, arming the death squads that slaughtered the indigenous Indians who wanted equal rights, and not to be exploited by US Agribusiness?

                              Oh...and to top it all off, Admiral Poindexter, the fall guy for this deadly shell game gets reincarnated years later as what? As the leader of the Total Information Awareness Project, to keep Big Brother's eye on everyone in the US.

                              What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.
                              I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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