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  • Originally posted by RS116 View Post
    Another lie.
    Any Israel government had a problem with HAMAS.
    Operation Cast Lead ( 2008) did not happened on the
    Netanyahu watch.

    http://middleeast.about.com/od/c/g/O...-Cast-Lead.htm
    it's OCCAM's Razor, sunshine. advise if I need to repeat.


    Whatever happened to the agreement to ignore each other?

    Re:
    it doesn't matter.
    Such video lives one - two days,
    does its jobs and disappears
    .

    Be a good lad & tellus why you are posting airbrushed Gaza beach pix- BEFORE you accuse other posters of
    lying'
    Last edited by marktwain; 21 Nov 12, 08:22.
    The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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    • Originally posted by Crackshot View Post
      And your definition of a normal government is --?
      Query requires time. Meanwhile , give us your [email protected] analysis..
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      • Originally posted by marktwain View Post
        it's OCCAM's Razor, sunshine. advise if I need to repeat.


        Whatever happened to the agreement to ignore each other?

        Re:
        it doesn't matter.
        Such video lives one - two days,
        does its jobs and disappears
        .

        Be a good lad & tellus why you are posting airbrushed Gaza beach pix- BEFORE you accuse other posters of
        lying'
        I have posted 14 pictures of Gaza,
        2 videos and 1 article from Wikitravel.

        They perfectly show real in Gaza.
        All of them airbrushed, false and untruthful Zionists lie ?

        As about that one particular picture of the beach.
        It is from Wikipedia,
        so address your complains to them.
        They are the open source and if you manage to prove them,
        that picture is airbrushed they could remove it.

        However, if you so irritated by that picture, this evening
        I will run search and post plenty of pictures of the beautiful
        Gaza beaches to stop your whining.


        By the way, the article in your link says that
        problems with canalization in Gaza happened to be in 2009- 2010.
        FYI, now is 2012.

        Summer Vacation on the beautiful Gaza beaches :

        http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/new...-gazas-beaches

        Is it also Zionists conspiracy ?
        Last edited by RS116; 21 Nov 12, 10:24.
        Dixi.

        Beware of Occam's razor !!!!

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        • I think there is a fundamental issue with disarming here.

          Disarming a force that could threaten a country meant taking away their airplanes, tanks and 10,000+ employee steel plants.

          Smallarms including RPGs hidden in an area that has a lot of criminal and other out-of-governance activity going on? Not gonna find them. The only way would be to move the people away from where the guns are probably hidden.

          It really doesn't matter whether you are talking Hamas disarming the smaller factions or Israel disarming Hamas.

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          • Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
            I believe Israel only 'supplies' power and water per previous agreements. Other goods have to be landed in Israel or Egypt and then trucked into Gaza because of the blockade. Although given the stockpiles of arms Hamas has been able to acquire, the blockade may be something Israel is willing to negotiate on as it does not seem to be having the desired effect.
            Ah, ok, thank you. I thought Gaza was more reliant on Israel than just power and water. But, it seems that if Israel can enact a blockade around Gaza they still have a say in what trade is conducted there.
            The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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            • Originally posted by RS116 View Post
              I have posted 14 pictures of Gaza,
              2 videos and 1 article from Wikitravel.
              They perfectly show real in Gaza.
              All of them airbrushed, false and untruthful Zionists lie ?

              As about that one particular picture of the beach.
              It is from Wikipedia,
              so address your complains to them.
              They are the open source and if you manage to prove them,
              that picture is airbrushed they could remove it.

              However, if you so irritated by that picture, this evening
              I will run search and post plenty of pictures of the beautiful
              Gaza beaches to stop your whining.


              By the way, the article in your link says that
              problems with canalization in Gaza happened to be in 2009- 2010.
              FYI, now is 2012.

              Summer Vacation on the beautiful Gaza beaches :

              http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/new...-gazas-beaches

              Is it also Zionists conspiracy ?
              Dude, don't let him bait you. He's just trolling for emotional outbursts.
              The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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              • Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                To make an agreement stick, Hamas would probably have to disarm all of the smaller groups like Palestinian Islamic Jihad, etc. Probably at gun point.

                While that would give them more credibility in negotiations, it would at the same time rob them of deniability when they wanted 'a few' rockets lobbed over the fence as a reminder that they are still there. Also consider that many of the smaller groups can get their own funding through the convoluted web of donations and fundamentalist patrons that riddles the Middle East. So IHMO it won't happen.
                Won't happen with the Americans sitting on the sidelines picking their noses, you mean.

                Probably beyond the Palestinian authorities to clean up the mess. Gaza needs law and order first, then get rid of the rockets, then lift the blockade.

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                • Originally posted by Glenn239 View Post
                  Won't happen with the Americans sitting on the sidelines picking their noses, you mean.

                  Probably beyond the Palestinian authorities to clean up the mess. Gaza needs law and order first, then get rid of the rockets, then lift the blockade.
                  They will never have law and order unless it comes from within. As long as they continue to blame all of their problems on outside forces there is no meaningful progress to be made. They can and must start by getting their internal politics into the 21st century. If Fatah and Hamas cannot even keep peace and hold elections among themselves, there is no reason any outside entity should have faith in the agreements they make.
                  Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.

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                  • Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                    They will never have law and order unless it comes from within. As long as they continue to blame all of their problems on outside forces there is no meaningful progress to be made. They can and must start by getting their internal politics into the 21st century. If Fatah and Hamas cannot even keep peace and hold elections among themselves, there is no reason any outside entity should have faith in the agreements they make.
                    Without outside assistence to move in and deal with the terrorists in Gaza, the regular citizens of Gaza cannot take back their city, expurgate their violent element, sever the ties to Iran, and evolve in a peaceful direction. Your observation, if Fatah/Hamas...etc, etc - that is merely making excuses for inaction; you cannot possibly be suggesting to me that you expect terrorists to honour the agreements they have made.

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                    • Hamas is also a political party and the current government of Gaza. The PLO lost the elections in Gaza largely because of corruption and incompetence. There is no real reason the Gazans can't turn on Hamas for the same reasons. Shooting rockets at Israel does nothing to better the life of the average Palestinian. Eventually Hamas either starts to deal with real day to day problems of governance or they fall by the wayside. Unfortunately that day could be a long way off.

                      In the meantime, we've spent over a decade chasing terrorists through the back streets of the middle east. It's someone else's turn.
                      Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.

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                      • Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                        Hamas is also a political party and the current government of Gaza. The PLO lost the elections in Gaza largely because of corruption and incompetence. There is no real reason the Gazans can't turn on Hamas for the same reasons. Shooting rockets at Israel does nothing to better the life of the average Palestinian. Eventually Hamas either starts to deal with real day to day problems of governance or they fall by the wayside. Unfortunately that day could be a long way off.

                        In the meantime, we've spent over a decade chasing terrorists through the back streets of the middle east. It's someone else's turn.
                        It is not a democracy to elect another party.
                        To turn on HAMAS means local revolt against HAMAS,
                        it's police, paramilitary assassins etc...
                        Easier to say, then realize.
                        Especially because HAMAS always can provoke confrontation
                        with Israel and then kill his political opponents
                        as Israeli collaborators.
                        Who is going to check ?

                        See how it was going in Iran, Syria etc....

                        HAMAS is not the first regime, which came to power
                        as a result of democratic elections, but had to go by force.
                        Last edited by RS116; 23 Nov 12, 12:59.
                        Dixi.

                        Beware of Occam's razor !!!!

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                        • Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                          Hamas is also a political party and the current government of Gaza. The PLO lost the elections in Gaza largely because of corruption and incompetence. There is no real reason the Gazans can't turn on Hamas for the same reasons. Shooting rockets at Israel does nothing to better the life of the average Palestinian. Eventually Hamas either starts to deal with real day to day problems of governance or they fall by the wayside. Unfortunately that day could be a long way off.
                          I dunno about Hamas in Gaza but one reason why Hezbollah is so strong in southern lebanon is that they do provide some essential services normally expected from a government. Police (against criminals), basic food supply, basic medical services. They come in and give some of it to people who had to live without (useless Lebanese government, at least as far as reaching there is concerned).

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                          • Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                            Dude, don't let him bait you. He's just trolling for emotional outbursts.
                            ++++++++++++++++++++++
                            Not at all.
                            We are NOT that far apart.- as We are all pro Isreal's existance & anti Hamas.

                            I do feel the street Gazans got a bad deal from Everyone
                            Hopefully, that changes.

                            Here are some honest beach pix- overcrowded, health concerns- but they are still trying. You will see, looking closely, the refugee huts & garbage strewn area just berhind the beach picture.

                            Now- http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/new...-gazas-beaches
                            three week truce on insult posts...
                            Last edited by marktwain; 23 Nov 12, 04:36.
                            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                            • Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                              Hamas is also a political party and the current government of Gaza. The PLO lost the elections in Gaza largely because of corruption and incompetence. There is no real reason the Gazans can't turn on Hamas for the same reasons. Shooting rockets at Israel does nothing to better the life of the average Palestinian. Eventually Hamas either starts to deal with real day to day problems of governance or they fall by the wayside. Unfortunately that day could be a long way off.

                              In the meantime, we've spent over a decade chasing terrorists through the back streets of the middle east. It's someone else's turn.
                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

                              Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

                              You can't have it both ways. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. You don't negotiate with terrorist. Don't tell me that you expect terrorists to live up to their agreements, and that you will hold 1.5 million people hostage when - the totally biggest not-shock ever - these terrorists don't live up to their word.

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                              • Originally posted by Glenn239 View Post
                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

                                Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

                                You can't have it both ways. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. You don't negotiate with terrorist. Don't tell me that you expect terrorists to live up to their agreements, and that you will hold 1.5 million people hostage when - the totally biggest not-shock ever - these terrorists don't live up to their word.
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                                Unfortunateyyou do. Remember Menachim Begin'- Stern Gang, AFAIR?
                                You always keep the conduit open...
                                The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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