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  • A US Naval Strike Group of 11 vessels led by aircraft carrier USS Truman Iran bound!

    "A US Naval group of 11 vessels led by the aircraft carrier USS Truman was allowed to use the Suez Canal en route to the Red Sea in what many view as a possible showdown with Iran."

    This is a news reel I just got on my Forex Trader, thought I should share it. I posted some pics, I found on google of the Truman and the Suez. Is this the US flexing its naval muscle!

    I would love to here your thoughts on this. Do you think Iran will get the message?

    Or will this accelerate to a military conflict?

    You pretty much own all the oceans of the world, why not show some force in the Persian Gulf, right? Or will this encourage an arms race, or a move towards conflict?


    USS Truman


    Suez Canal (This is the USS America in the 80's. But it gives you an idea of what it should look like)

  • #2
    Nice pics, 45.

    As far as provoking Iran, I rather doubt it. They don't seem to be impressed by such things. There have been carrier groups in the Persian Gulf, Med, or Indian Ocean since 1979.

    My feeling is they think President Hussein is a bit of a joke. Bush or Reagan might shoot your foot off for stepping over the line, but not the current guy.
    "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
    Groucho Marx

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Catman View Post
      Nice pics, 45.

      As far as provoking Iran, I rather doubt it. They don't seem to be impressed by such things. There have been carrier groups in the Persian Gulf, Med, or Indian Ocean since 1979.

      My feeling is they think President Hussein is a bit of a joke. Bush or Reagan might shoot your foot off for stepping over the line, but not the current guy.
      True, Democrats are definitely more liberal in politics and conservative with the military. The one instance that comes to mind here in particular is the Iran hostage US embassy situation during Democrat Jimmy Carter's term. He was an easy-goer and it seems Iran took advantage of that.

      But Carter sent a special forces team to rescue the hostages and one or two of the heli's supposedly crashed during a sand storm or something. It was a disaster. But Iran took advantage of the media coverage and pretty much embarrassed the US through the media.

      Reagan on the otherhand wouldn't have taken no for an answer. He would have been sending a Tomahawk missile somewhere.

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      • #4
        You missed the one thing that's unusual in the story-
        One Israeli ship tagged along with them...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Golani View Post
          You missed the one thing that's unusual in the story-
          One Israeli ship tagged along with them...
          I didn't read an article on it, it was just a posting in my forex trader a news reel with the heading that's it.

          Can you tell me more about this Israeli ship. You know there is probably a US sub going to meet at the rendezvous too. There almost always is. I think. A sub shadows the whole flotilla when a carrier is involved. But a sub would go through the canal I don't think that would defeat the purpose of a sub.

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          • #6
            No, because I don't know anything about it.

            Not a naval man but I think it's safe to assume that such a large flotilla would have submarine escort.

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            • #7



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              • #8
                Old photo of the Truman. Check out the F-14s- only Iran flies them now.

                Big question: will the sanctions produce ship stop/seizures? If so, there may be a war coming...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by علامت پیروز View Post
                  Old photo of the Truman. Check out the F-14s- only Iran flies them now.

                  Big question: will the sanctions produce ship stop/seizures? If so, there may be a war coming...
                  Perhaps. And I would say that the relations with the US/UN and Iran are the worst since the revolution and the hostage crises. The sanctions are almost complete, but there is still some oil being traded between the UN and Iran. Cutting off the rest of that would probably be the last step to a complete economic Iranian isolation.

                  See what happens when citizens can't possess firearms. Military, religious dictatorship. Martial law if need be. Citizens throwing rocks and swinging sticks wont do anything.

                  But geographically I think the US has Iran in a very difficult situation. The US has forces on both sides of Iran, and Iran can definitely feel the pressure. Flexing their naval supremacy in the South will pressure Iran from three sides, being the Caspian is just a lake with caviar.

                  On the otherhand, I don't think these sanctions will do much to harm Iran because Iran's standards of living and value of their currency is so high anyway, compared to the dollar. But the Iranians Presidents childish remarks only show a sign weakness and despair rather than strength and control.

                  Your thoughts Basiege?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Golani View Post
                    No, because I don't know anything about it.

                    Not a naval man but I think it's safe to assume that such a large flotilla would have submarine escort.
                    Then can you show me how you know there is an Israeli ship in the group.

                    Because the last thing Israel needs to do right now is to be tagging along with anybody!

                    They need to stay in "Israeli" waters and shut the up for awhile.

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                    • #11
                      Colt, Iran's oil and gas exports haven't been affected, except for broken contracts over infrastructure upgrades.

                      Relations were worse during Jange Tahmili (Iran-Iraq War). Remember IR655.

                      Speaking of bearing firearms, the homicide rates of the US (5.4) and Iran (2.9) are not in any way favorable toward the US. See what happens when you let a bunch of yahoos loose with guns?

                      Personally, I don't see a war happening, and I still hold out hope of a detente somehow taking effect, despite all the pro-Zionist efforts and hype.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by علامت پیروز View Post
                        Colt, Iran's oil and gas exports haven't been affected, except for broken contracts over infrastructure upgrades.

                        Relations were worse during Jange Tahmili (Iran-Iraq War). Remember IR655.

                        Speaking of bearing firearms, the homicide rates of the US (5.4) and Iran (2.9) are not in any way favorable toward the US. See what happens when you let a bunch of yahoos loose with guns?

                        Personally, I don't see a war happening, and I still hold out hope of a detente somehow taking effect, despite all the pro-Zionist efforts and hype.
                        I would take yahoos loose with guns over a religious dictatorship any day. As a small group of these "yahoos" beat one of the great monarchies in the world, similar to the Iranian revolution. And I would not consider Iran the land of the Aryans as the Demographics are quite mixed to include Arabs, Kurds, Mongolian decents, Georgians, and Afghans. Southern Iran traded with the Horn of Africa for centuries, so they look almost Sudanese. I know its all hype to put in the history books, every country does it at least a little bit.

                        Homicide rates are nothing compared to government suppression.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by علامت پیروز View Post
                          Colt, Iran's oil and gas exports haven't been affected, except for broken contracts over infrastructure upgrades.

                          Relations were worse during Jange Tahmili (Iran-Iraq War). Remember IR655.

                          Speaking of bearing firearms, the homicide rates of the US (5.4) and Iran (2.9) are not in any way favorable toward the US. See what happens when you let a bunch of yahoos loose with guns?

                          Personally, I don't see a war happening, and I still hold out hope of a detente somehow taking effect, despite all the pro-Zionist efforts and hype.
                          I thought US backing of Iraq was on the down low. But there was also the Iran-Contra Affair selling arms to Iran too.

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                          • #14
                            Well, to be perfectly honest, Colt, I personally know about half dozen homicide victims of firearms in the US. It kind'a changes your perspective somewhat.

                            But hey, we're drifitin' off-topic with this.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by علامت پیروز View Post
                              Well, to be perfectly honest, Colt, I personally know about half dozen homicide victims of firearms in the US. It kind'a changes your perspective somewhat.

                              But hey, we're drifitin' off-topic with this.
                              I still don't see how that is worst than Regime and Basiege.
                              Last edited by 45Colt; 21 Jun 10, 04:35.

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