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    Turkish security sources quoted Prime Minister Recep Erdogan as preparing to go beyond abusive rhetoric against Israel and considering using his navy to break Israel's siege of Gaza - or even sailing aboard the next flotilla to break the blockade in person on the assumption that Israel would not dare stop him.

    http://www.debka.com/article/8837/

    Wow, this would really ramp up the stakes!

    Here is a link that postulates that this could even lead to a war between Israel and Turkey!

    http://www.ianwelsh.net/holy-sweet-l...-turkish-navy/
    Last edited by dave123; 06 Jun 10, 09:44.

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    Israeli citizens against the Gaza blockade

    Thousands of Israeli citizen protest against the blockade of the Gaza strip by Israel:

    June 5, 2010

    Thousands of demonstrators from across the left-wing of Israeli politics held a rally in Tel Aviv Saturday afternoon to protest 43 years of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, and a government that organizers said is “drowning Israel”.

    The protestors began their demonstration with a march from Rabin Square to the Tel Aviv museum, where speeches were held. The demonstration, which was held under the slogan "The Government is Drowning Us All", was originally planned solely to protest the occupation, but following last Monday’s deadly raid on a Turkish boat attempting to break the Gaza blockade, the rally also addressed those upset about the government’s policies in regard to the Gaza Strip and the raid that left 9 foreign citizens dead and several IDF soldiers wounded.


    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177555

    kelt

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dave123 View Post
      Turkish security sources quoted Prime Minister Recep Erdogan as preparing to go beyond abusive rhetoric against Israel and considering using his navy to break Israel's siege of Gaza - or even sailing aboard the next flotilla to break the blockade in person on the assumption that Israel would not dare stop him.

      http://www.debka.com/article/8837/

      Wow, this would really ramp up the stakes!

      Here is a link that postulates that this could even lead to a war between Israel and Turkey!

      http://www.ianwelsh.net/holy-sweet-l...-turkish-navy/
      The Israelis should treat whatever ship Erdogan is on as they would any other potential blockade runner.
      ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

      BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

      BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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      • #4
        I can't see the Turks following through on this. Using force to break the blockade would mean a real shooting war with Israel. Hopefully the Turkish generals would act before that happened...
        "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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        • #5
          The Turkish ambassador at large denied the story on CNN this morning.

          The Turkish position is that the activities are not illegal, but not state sanctioned either. The Turks say they are willing to conduct background investigations of participants to weed out terrorists and make certain all activities are clean, but are insisting that there must be an investigation (international) of the attack. The Israeli position apriori is that Israel cannot get a fair hearing in an international court, so must decline.

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          • #6
            I wonder if we installed a self destruct chip in all those M-60s, F4s, UAVs, etc.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
              The Israelis should treat whatever ship Erdogan is on as they would any other potential blockade runner.
              The Israelis should opt to end the Blockade on their own and not wait for internationnal pressure to build up sufficiently to force them to it.

              Such positive move by Israel would help regain some of it's damaged internationnal image.

              kelt

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kelt06 View Post

                Such positive move by Israel would help regain some of it's damaged internationnal image.

                kelt
                It's hard to re-gain something that was almost non-existent.

                Israel removing the blockade will only make the terrorists out as winners. Double time, first in achieving the lifting of the blockade and secondly in stockpiling enough weaponry to seriously damage Israel.

                No, what's done is done, there's absolutely no sense in lifting the blockade, especially now.

                If Erdogan wants to head-butt us, he's welcomed, I only hope that history would be able to be objective enough to remember he was the aggressor.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Golani View Post
                  If Erdogan wants to head-butt us, he's welcomed, I only hope that history would be able to be objective enough to remember he was the aggressor.
                  "He looked at us in a funny way!"...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                    "He looked at us in a funny way!"...
                    More like "he provoked us with official Turkish military power, thus evoking a casus belli".

                    Don't forget, if he'll be aboard such vessel it'll be escorted, probably by both Turkish Navy and Air-Force.

                    In all seriousness it's hard for me to see a direct state of war between Israel and Turkey, both lack the capabilities, Israel definitely lacks the desire-while I can't say the same for Turkey.

                    I do however see a proxy war, much like what's already going on.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Golani View Post
                      It's hard to re-gain something that was almost non-existent.
                      Exactly.Israel must stick to their guns.That's it.
                      ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                      BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                      BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Golani View Post

                        If Erdogan wants to head-butt us, he's welcomed, I only hope that history would be able to be objective enough to remember he was the aggressor.
                        Like Netanyahu said, "Israel is guilty until proven guilty".

                        And how about Helen Thomas? According to her, all the Jews should go back to Poland, Germany (where they were almost exterminated) and the USA. What a What would have happend if she had said that about the blacks or mexicans in the USA? hmmm

                        It is a good thing that God is on Israel's side, becasue nobody else (obama included) is with her.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dave123 View Post
                          And how about Helen Thomas? According to her, all the Jews should go back to Poland, Germany (where they were almost exterminated) and the USA. What a What would have happend if she had said that about the blacks or mexicans in the USA? hmmm
                          And who the hell is Helen Thomas, and why should we care?

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                          • #14
                            Israel better find a clever way quickly to end the Gaza strip blockade without loosing any more feathers, as things may become more hetic in the near futur:

                            Report: Two Iranian ships to sail to Gaza

                            Published 10:14 07.06.10

                            Iranian aid ships are due to set sail to Gaza by the end of the week, according to a report in the Sunday Times.

                            The Iranian Red Crescent decided to send the vessels, which will carry food, medications, and medical equipment, following a meeting with the foreign ministry,


                            “One ship will carry donations made by the people and the other will carry relief workers. The ships will be sent to Gaza by end of this week,” Iranian Red Crescent director Abdolrauf Adibzadeh told the IRNA news agency.


                            On Sunday, a representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards are ready to provide a military escort to cargo ships trying to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.


                            "Iran's Revolutionary Guards naval forces are fully prepared to escort the peace and freedom convoys to Gaza with all their powers and capabilities," Ali Shirazi, Khamenei's representative inside the Revolutionary Guards, was quoted as saying by the semi-official Mehr news agency.


                            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...-gaza-1.294657

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                              The Israelis should treat whatever ship Erdogan is on as they would any other potential blockade runner.
                              Completely agree Jim, but considering the source of the information, I have to take this with a grain of salt.
                              Give me a fast ship and the wind at my back for I intend to sail in harms way! (John Paul Jones)

                              Initiated Chief Petty Officer
                              Hard core! Old School! Deal with it!

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