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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

    I'm the one that was laughing, so I guess I could be accused of being insensitive.

    In fact, that happens a lot, every time I step outside the bounds of Political Correctness (another Communist invention) and criticize Left Wing socialist programs.
    Case in point -




    I most certainly do NOT want to see that kind of evil stupidity spread to any part of the world, at all.
    And in the USA, the number is more like 70% for Black families, at it started getting that way when Socialist programs began to be implemented in this country,

    How many times and in how many ways must I tell you that I am not demanding that the Middle East be made into a clone of the West?!?
    Is Democracy seen as a solely Western concept?
    Is modern society and technology entirely Western?
    Is that what the Mullahs have been telling you all your life?

    Oh, are they telling you that the West will annihilate anyone that tries to advance themselves in their own way?
    Nations that accept socialism have a way of annihilating themselves, and it isn't just a matter of bearded she-men in dresses ordering people to call them "Zir" as they shove their way into a public restroom for women.... altho that is exactly the sort of thing the Left Wing loves to push on people.

    I wish every nation on Earth was as prosperous as America. Without Envy it would be far more difficult to justify all the hate that they send our way.




    Corruption was never part of the equation, unless you can show me exactly where it was codified and made part of the founding of the nation.
    Corruption is to be fought against, it is a poison that accumulates and eventually destroys whatever it invades.
    It is death, but what lives forever?





    Smart fellow, I wonder what he has to say about Iran, in particular.





    NO idea, the media here hides that from us.
    Can you post any links to that information here?



    That number assumes that every child born to every muslim will have to become a muslim .... if they are ever given a choice?
    Are they?
    Even i know that the pressure is tremendous, and I can link dozens of links to show what happens to people who try to leave it.
    Well I havent found anything worth discussing since i have alot of same opinions.
    Only i ll mention that technological advancement and "modern" state is not dependent on some constitution or law, commies went to space too. Its just peoples choice, will they live in mud or not.

    - you personaly dont push westernisation there but it happened anyway . ottoman empire came too late with any reform, 85% or even more population were illiterate and colonizers indoctrinated people, forced secularism and it remained till this day.


    Corruption must be fought- they dont fight. I ve told you muslim societies today are not islamic at all.

    What ibn Taymiyyah said about shias (iranians) !? I ll find you one quote
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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    I did not bring up von Galen.

    Albert Speer recalled how Hitler remained Catholic until his dying days. The Church was led in WW2 by arguably the weakest and most intolerant Catholics of Catholic History. While Allied Communists were excommunicated, Hitler and Reich Officials were celebrated by Catholic leaders. Of the course the Church was founded by Jesus and its ideals stand against the Reich.

    You have recently been getting totally defeated in our debates. Especially in the last few posts. My facts vs your opinions good friend.
    Albert Speer as a source ? Why not Hitler himself ?
    You said that the German bishops were nazis : I gave an example that you were wrong : the Gauleiter of the Rhineland demanded that von Galen should be hanged publicly .

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    Nazi Bishops , the pope being pro Hitler ??? von Galen being pro Nazi ?
    You have surpassed yourself in idiocies .
    I did not bring up von Galen.

    Albert Speer recalled how Hitler remained Catholic until his dying days. The Church was led in WW2 by arguably the weakest and most intolerant Catholics of Catholic History. While Allied Communists were excommunicated, Hitler and Reich Officials were celebrated by Catholic leaders. Of the course the Church was founded by Jesus and its ideals stand against the Reich.

    You have recently been getting totally defeated in our debates. Especially in the last few posts. My facts vs your opinions good friend.

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by Daud View Post


    Dont be too sensitive, its not any type of rant,
    I'm the one that was laughing, so I guess I could be accused of being insensitive.

    In fact, that happens a lot, every time I step outside the bounds of Political Correctness (another Communist invention) and criticize Left Wing socialist programs.
    Case in point -


    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    For me , to see every 4(5)th child to live without father is a disaster for future of society. These kids have more chance to ruin their lives in crime and drugs. BUT i dont enjoy seeing this, just to clarify my position. I would like to see every human being happy.
    I most certainly do NOT want to see that kind of evil stupidity spread to any part of the world, at all.
    And in the USA, the number is more like 70% for Black families, at it started getting that way when Socialist programs began to be implemented in this country,

    How many times and in how many ways must I tell you that I am not demanding that the Middle East be made into a clone of the West?!?
    Is Democracy seen as a solely Western concept?
    Is modern society and technology entirely Western?
    Is that what the Mullahs have been telling you all your life?

    Oh, are they telling you that the West will annihilate anyone that tries to advance themselves in their own way?
    Nations that accept socialism have a way of annihilating themselves, and it isn't just a matter of bearded she-men in dresses ordering people to call them "Zir" as they shove their way into a public restroom for women.... altho that is exactly the sort of thing the Left Wing loves to push on people.

    I wish every nation on Earth was as prosperous as America. Without Envy it would be far more difficult to justify all the hate that they send our way.


    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    I believe you re introduced in history of your society and how and why secularism is developed. In islamic world, they didnt have same problems, they had strong anchor to rely on. The problem was corruption , from leaders to scholars. Giving fatwas for political goals and worldly positions. Even now, its corruption, not law. No matter which constitution you bring, if you let corruption to spread in your society will crush and will live in povetry and uncertainty. Your secular constitution+corruption will not work.
    Corruption was never part of the equation, unless you can show me exactly where it was codified and made part of the founding of the nation.
    Corruption is to be fought against, it is a poison that accumulates and eventually destroys whatever it invades.
    It is death, but what lives forever?



    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    Ibn Tayymiyah (a man that is portrayed as a godfather of islamism in west ), even he said this:

    “It is said that Allah allows the just state to remain even if it is led by unbelievers, but Allah will not allow the oppressive state to remain even if it is led by Muslims. And it is said that the world will endure with justice and unbelief, but it will not endure with oppression and Islam.”
    Smart fellow, I wonder what he has to say about Iran, in particular.



    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    I dont believe that you re aware of things all these NGOs doing in Turkey Egypt Pakistan etc.
    NO idea, the media here hides that from us.
    Can you post any links to that information here?

    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    I would like to have market of 1.7 billion people
    That number assumes that every child born to every muslim will have to become a muslim .... if they are ever given a choice?
    Are they?
    Even i know that the pressure is tremendous, and I can link dozens of links to show what happens to people who try to leave it.

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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

    Didn't have to try very hard to trigger this anti-American rant, did I ?
    Thanks for the display of true colors.



    Who the hell said it had to be Western secularism?

    Point out a part of the world where secularism is even controversial outside of those areas dominated by Muslims.
    Starting to see my point?

    And even better; you don't have to imitate ANYONE. I'm sure that if you can find many educated ones (not so easy in places where Madrasas are the only option for schooling) that you could find a LOT of intelligent young people who would love the chance to create something new and original that could work very well in the 21st Century World.
    Iran comes to mind.... but they tried that in 2009, and the Islamic Regime gunned them down in the streets.

    I keep saying this and nobody keeps listening; if this worlds needs just one thing, it is new and original ideas.



    See? You are doing exactly what the hard-line Islamic Fundamentalists want you to do.
    You equate every viable alternative to Islamic Theocracy with solely Western ideology, trapping yourself into supporting the very same mad-dog Militants that you earlier said were not so important.
    Thanks for proving me right, in so many ways.



    - you gotta admit, it works very well for the rest of the world. and BTW; Sharia is hideous.
    - how's that ethic been working for you lately?
    - spoken like a true Fundamentalist, ISIS would be proud of you.




    You mean like the EU made your country "their"?

    'Fraind not, ol' hoss, Better break out your Marx if you want to come up with some twisted & roundabout explanation of how Germany, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan and a bunch of other countries the USA conquered and then rebuilt (or tried to, in the case of TrashCanistan) are now our sole property.
    You know, how the USSR did with the Warsaw Pact nations and every other nation they made communist at the point of a gun.

    Dont be too sensitive, its not any type of rant, noone is burning american flag here and shouting Allahu Akbar. There is many more things to see in society, not only PPP, and i ve mentioned some to show you that its not that "developed" and "modern" as you may think. For example:

    The second most common family arrangement is children living with a single mother, at 23 percent. These statistics come from the Census Bureau’s annual America’s Families and Living Arrangements table package.


    For me , to see every 4(5)th child to live without father is a disaster for future of society. These kids have more chance to ruin their lives in crime and drugs. BUT i dont enjoy seeing this, just to clarify my position. I would like to see every human being happy.
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    I believe you re introduced in history of your society and how and why secularism is developed. In islamic world, they didnt have same problems, they had strong anchor to rely on. The problem was corruption , from leaders to scholars. Giving fatwas for political goals and worldly positions. Even now, its corruption, not law. No matter which constitution you bring, if you let corruption to spread in your society will crush and will live in povetry and uncertainty. Your secular constitution+corruption will not work.



    Ibn Tayymiyah (a man that is portrayed as a godfather of islamism in west ), even he said this:

    “It is said that Allah allows the just state to remain even if it is led by unbelievers, but Allah will not allow the oppressive state to remain even if it is led by Muslims. And it is said that the world will endure with justice and unbelief, but it will not endure with oppression and Islam.”

    Source: al-Amr bil Ma’rūf 1/29

    قال ابن تيمية رحمه الله قيل إنَّ اللَّهَ يُقِيمُ الدَّوْلَةَ الْعَادِلَةَ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ كَافِرَةً وَلَا يُقِيمُ الظَّالِمَةَ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ مُسْلِمَةً ويقال الدُّنْيَا تَدُومُ مَعَ الْعَدْلِ وَالْكُفْرِ وَلَا تَدُومُ مَعَ الظُّلْمِ وَالْإِسْلَامِ

    1/29 ا




    And problems of muslim societies will not be solved in short terms and dumb political moves and ideas. I dont admire that radical groups just because they re going with their heads through the wall. You cant build a house by starting to build a roof you know
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    I dont believe that you re aware of things all these NGOs doing in Turkey Egypt Pakistan etc. You would be better introduced in my post that you quoted. They spread alot of ideological garbage to muslim youth, and i dont say that "america hates islam" or anything like that. Its just some circles in your world are not interested in stron islamic world because of pure interest, nothing to do with "religion". Islam is a ideal, civilisation an can bring all those people together.

    I would like to have market of 1.7 billion people

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Daud View Post

    You telling us that sky is green and that grass is blue.

    ive mentioned big influencer in german tought, great Martin Luther who said: " we can only blame ourselves if we dont kill them all (jews)" and now you telling that all these european antisemitism was not religiously motivated !?

    the jews killed a god ! - according to christianity

    Cmon man. Dont force your theology and history on us. We re not same.
    You are not the same as us : don't come in our countries: remain where you are .

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Only maybe .025-.05 percent of the Reich was Muslim, probably less. Idk why you are doing this, yes we both agree Hitler wanted to work with Muslims. Indeed the makeup of The Reich, Italy, Axis France was 99% Christian. One can see the allied side had the good Christians. You should delete any post of yours itt or another when you wrongly say the Reich was not a Christian movement. Christianity forces people to not kill innocents, that is a fact. The Reich Christians did not care about this rule, in fact many of them such as Father Tiso said Christianity approves of kicking Jews out of The Slovak Republic, that it was a Christians duty to stand up to Jews.

    All over Germany during Hitlers time in power Catholic and Lutheran Churches blasted Judaism with fiery speeches. This is basic common knowledge, you may have heard of Martin Luther and On Jews and Their Lies which Hitler admired Luther and the writings of Martin Luther. Hitler was a Catholic till his last breath, the Church in those days was led by Nazi Bishops, the head of the Church in WW2 was pro Hitler, he was one of the weakest minded Catholics to ever live for he could have excommunicated Hitler but he did not. His name is not worth mentioning.

    ISIL,AQ , The Taliban were theocratic movements which had the support of thousands of Muslims compared to the Hundreds of Millions of Christians and thousands of Muslims that supported Hitler during WW2. The differences between ISIL and the Reich was the Reich was technically not theocratic(though some of its allies were literally Catholic States) but in the 1930s and 1940s Christian Europeans largely supported Hitler. For many Christians Hitler was a great leader. So yes The Reich was not a theocratic movement but its vast vast support came from Christians many of whom said yes Christianity supports Hitlers views.

    The issue in modern day Israel and Saudi Arabia for example is that interfaith couples have to travel to different countries to get married, its because the Theocratic Gov of Saudi and Israel block interfaith marriage. Of course, rich American interfaith couples can visit Saudi or Israel so there are interfaith couples in Saudi and Israel, even bars and nightclubs but these countries are not free as our for example Turkey, USA, and England.
    Nazi Bishops , the pope being pro Hitler ??? von Galen being pro Nazi ?
    You have surpassed yourself in idiocies .

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  • the ace
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    Wait a minute;

    Two English women, with a baby, were innocently driving home when a range rover - driven by a 97 year-old Greek immigrant who has spent his life on benefits - slammed into their car after ignoring the rules of the road.

    Both women were injured (the baby was fine) but all attention has focussed on the immigrant (who has a German wife). Who later was seen driving a new car, but (illegally) not wearing a seat-belt.

    You're right, the law should be as eager to punish immigrants, as it is to take on its own citizens.


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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by Daud View Post


    So sawing a journalist makes you laugh if he speaks something against your guy., Sisi or MbS, dictators by the way.

    Thats why all that bulls*itting about free speech -democracy and other noone count anymore.

    Your "modern" state would be in jeopardy withot Nixons petrodollar. Let feds pump that paper money and leave it little bit. Lets see how long will that work in cluture of guns and violence, especially with all those prisoners and different ethnic groups and ideologies when some kind of economic crisis come.
    Didn't have to try very hard to trigger this anti-American rant, did I ?
    Thanks for the display of true colors.

    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    And no, western type of secularism will not work in that part of the world. It can be extended one period eith violence but in the end... no.
    Who the hell said it had to be Western secularism?

    Point out a part of the world where secularism is even controversial outside of those areas dominated by Muslims.
    Starting to see my point?

    And even better; you don't have to imitate ANYONE. I'm sure that if you can find many educated ones (not so easy in places where Madrasas are the only option for schooling) that you could find a LOT of intelligent young people who would love the chance to create something new and original that could work very well in the 21st Century World.
    Iran comes to mind.... but they tried that in 2009, and the Islamic Regime gunned them down in the streets.

    I keep saying this and nobody keeps listening; if this worlds needs just one thing, it is new and original ideas.

    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    Its interesting topic and there are reasons why that western ideology cant work there. Your pushing for secularisation is part of ideological warfare, i believe you doing it eithout even realising. Maybe you do realise and doing it with purpouse
    See? You are doing exactly what the hard-line Islamic Fundamentalists want you to do.
    You equate every viable alternative to Islamic Theocracy with solely Western ideology, trapping yourself into supporting the very same mad-dog Militants that you earlier said were not so important.
    Thanks for proving me right, in so many ways.

    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    - destroy islamic law and implement secular
    - destroy muslim ethic and bring western
    - reform islam so it isnt islam anymore
    - you gotta admit, it works very well for the rest of the world. and BTW; Sharia is hideous.
    - how's that ethic been working for you lately?
    - spoken like a true Fundamentalist, ISIS would be proud of you.


    Originally posted by Daud View Post
    and you ll have easy profitable control over those nations, they will be your.
    You mean like the EU made your country "their"?

    'Fraind not, ol' hoss, Better break out your Marx if you want to come up with some twisted & roundabout explanation of how Germany, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan and a bunch of other countries the USA conquered and then rebuilt (or tried to, in the case of TrashCanistan) are now our sole property.
    You know, how the USSR did with the Warsaw Pact nations and every other nation they made communist at the point of a gun.

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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    This is one of the most non-sensical posts I have ever seen... and what I mean by that is it is very hard to make any sense of it.
    So, minimal inout time here...


    Are you seriously suggesting that the Christians are not being slaughtered, but just leaving because they want to?
    Because if you are, I have tons of material that show otherwise.
    But hell, what's another genocide in that part of the world, right? Just another day in the armpit of the planet...
    Jihad Report
    Jan 12, 2019 -
    Jan 18, 2019
    Attacks 28
    Killed 136
    Injured 231
    Suicide Blasts 5
    Countries 13

    So sawing a journalist makes you laugh if he speaks something against your guy., Sisi or MbS, dictators by the way.

    Thats why all that bulls*itting about free speech -democracy and other noone count anymore.

    Your "modern" state would be in jeopardy withot Nixons petrodollar. Let feds pump that paper money and leave it little bit. Lets see how long will that work in cluture of guns and violence, especially with all those prisoners and different ethnic groups and ideologies when some kind of economic crisis come.



    And no, western type of secularism will not work in that part of the world. It can be extended one period eith violence but in the end... no.

    Its interesting topic and there are reasons why that western ideology cant work there. Your pushing for secularisation is part of ideological warfare, i believe you doing it eithout even realising. Maybe you do realise and doing it with purpouse

    - destroy islamic law and implement secular
    - destroy muslim ethic and bring western
    - reform islam so it isnt islam anymore


    and you ll have easy profitable control over those nations, they will be your.
    Last edited by Daud; 23 Jan 19, 04:11.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    This is one of the most non-sensical posts I have ever seen... and what I mean by that is it is very hard to make any sense of it.
    So, minimal inout time here...



    Are you seriously suggesting that the Christians are not being slaughtered, but just leaving because they want to?
    Because if you are, I have tons of material that show otherwise.
    But hell, what's another genocide in that part of the world, right? Just another day in the armpit of the planet...
    Jihad Report
    Jan 12, 2019 -
    Jan 18, 2019
    Attacks 28
    Killed 136
    Injured 231
    Suicide Blasts 5
    Countries 13
    That type of heavy language is what the anti Muslims want you to believe. The type of language such as slaughter, wipe out or similar that is what the Third Reich had the power to do to so many minorities. But the attacks you are talking about are a sliver of the portion of the violence that The Third Reich inflicted on the world, day after day, hour after hour for years on end.

    Christianity represents the worlds most followed religion. Christians are growing in numbers and are very strong.


    99% of ISIL victims are Muslims not Christians. AQ, Boko Haram, Taliban, ISIL etc these groups target anyone that disagrees with them. Anti Muslims will not tell you, and they never want you to talk about Christians, Jews, Hindus and Atheists that team with Muslims in Muslim majority countries to fight back against bigoted Muslims.

    Syria has many Christians, Lebanon is half Christian. In Europe there have been Muslims living side by side peacefully with Chistians, same in the middle east it goes back to the middle ages.

    Today Spain has a rich Islamic history, and still is home to a good # of Muslims. So there it is, huge massive numbers of Christians live in Lebanon, some serve the military so no weakling ISIL members going to mess with a Lebanese person.

    In Turkey interfaith marriage is allowed, but interfaith marriage is not allowed in the rich Israel and Saudi what is with that. Time for change in Israel and Saudi.

    Christian majority USA sees 30% of American Muslims marry into non Islamic faiths.

    Christians and Muslims are a massive benefit to world history.

    OTOH criminals are found from all walks of life. Thats why practically every country has jails filled with criminals.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    Repeating lies will not transform them in truth .
    You have said that hundreds of millions of Christians supported the Holocaust : this is a lie ,and remains a lie , even when you will repeat it thousand times .
    The religion of those who were forced to fight for Hitler( = Germans,who were 80 million and not hundreds of millions ) was irrelevant and had NO influence upon their decision to fight for Hitler .
    The religion of the Muslims who fought for Hitler ( WSS division Handschar ) was very important, because they joined this division because they were Muslims .
    The religion of those who murdered during the war countless Jews in NA and the ME was very important ,because this religion (the ISLAM ) was the reason why they murdered these Jews .
    NO ONE fought against Hitler because he was a Christian , even the number of those who fought against Hitler because they were communists ,has alkso been exaggerated .
    A very small number of Germans fought for Hitler because they were nazis .Most people fought because they had to fight .
    WWII was NOT a war of religion, the only who were religiously motivated were the Muslims .
    Banning Muslim immigration is not only a good thing, but a necessity to survive : they are hostile to our values,thus there is no place for them in thge Western world .
    The present war is not a war of Christians against Muslims, but of Muslims against non Muslims .
    The US pilots who killed 52 terrorists in Somalia did not sing Onwards Christian soldiers, but the Muslim terrorists are shouting Allah Akbar .That's the difference .
    And repeating lies about interfaith marriage in Israel will also nt make them truth : 10% of Israeli marriages are interfaith .
    Only maybe .025-.05 percent of the Reich was Muslim, probably less. Idk why you are doing this, yes we both agree Hitler wanted to work with Muslims. Indeed the makeup of The Reich, Italy, Axis France was 99% Christian. One can see the allied side had the good Christians. You should delete any post of yours itt or another when you wrongly say the Reich was not a Christian movement. Christianity forces people to not kill innocents, that is a fact. The Reich Christians did not care about this rule, in fact many of them such as Father Tiso said Christianity approves of kicking Jews out of The Slovak Republic, that it was a Christians duty to stand up to Jews.

    All over Germany during Hitlers time in power Catholic and Lutheran Churches blasted Judaism with fiery speeches. This is basic common knowledge, you may have heard of Martin Luther and On Jews and Their Lies which Hitler admired Luther and the writings of Martin Luther. Hitler was a Catholic till his last breath, the Church in those days was led by Nazi Bishops, the head of the Church in WW2 was pro Hitler, he was one of the weakest minded Catholics to ever live for he could have excommunicated Hitler but he did not. His name is not worth mentioning.

    ISIL,AQ , The Taliban were theocratic movements which had the support of thousands of Muslims compared to the Hundreds of Millions of Christians and thousands of Muslims that supported Hitler during WW2. The differences between ISIL and the Reich was the Reich was technically not theocratic(though some of its allies were literally Catholic States) but in the 1930s and 1940s Christian Europeans largely supported Hitler. For many Christians Hitler was a great leader. So yes The Reich was not a theocratic movement but its vast vast support came from Christians many of whom said yes Christianity supports Hitlers views.

    The issue in modern day Israel and Saudi Arabia for example is that interfaith couples have to travel to different countries to get married, its because the Theocratic Gov of Saudi and Israel block interfaith marriage. Of course, rich American interfaith couples can visit Saudi or Israel so there are interfaith couples in Saudi and Israel, even bars and nightclubs but these countries are not free as our for example Turkey, USA, and England.

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  • The Exorcist
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    This is one of the most non-sensical posts I have ever seen... and what I mean by that is it is very hard to make any sense of it.
    So, minimal inout time here...

    Originally posted by Daud View Post


    You mixed few things here.
    First, understand that a government ir leader or whatever in power is can proclaim itself as >islamic< but be corrupt and incompetent

    "Can" be? As things stand now, "Islamic" and corrupt & incompetent go hand in hand.

    and even muslims there are not able to criticize it if they re not satisfied.

    I seem to recall something called the Arab Spring not so long ago....

    Your friend prince Salman butchered that journalist few months ago. Dont want to mention other examples. So i ll use straw man and say how sick you must be to support him or Sisi .

    What now?
    Oh, the "journalist" !
    The Hamas mouthpiece that once got a few lines printed in a Marxist rag in the US, yeah, I remember him. He walked into a Saudi consulate to try to maintain his contacts so he could keep undercutting the reformists in a country that was nominally his nationality.
    Yeah, too bad, anther Terrorist sympathizer and enabler got what he deserved.
    Next?


    These societies are not developed because od many -many things. You re describing it too simplistic in my opinion. Where the hell is islamic ideology !? Few years ago i was in UAE and went to friday prayer in Shaikh Zayed mosque, big place, a man havent said 1 word about situation of syrian people ! Not 1 word ! I asked how much reffugees they took. 0! Yeah, zero ! We in europe took tens of thousands. And now you want me to accept those people as muslim/islamic ? I reject them as such. So really if you want to show me that Islam is the problem you should open the books and show me where is the problem, dont show me whqt people do or do not.

    So, you play the Holier Than Thou card to disparage them, but they are still creeps to me too. In the U.A.E. they still routinely throw women that have been rapped into prison when they register a complaint.
    Why? Islam, and the very explicit demands it makes on the society of everyone of that faith.
    Just going by the book.... as it suits them.


    Yes, people flee because of many different reasons. Some are just abused by nutjobs



    See this example, just one floor under my flat lives iraqi reffugee with his girfriend, in middle of europe. He said to me that he had 3 cars in front of his house, had few shops and havent paid taxes alot. He also said that now he lives like a dog, in a foreign country with shity climate, works too much and pays taxes alot and experiencing racism and marginalisation every day.
    He is muslim ( didnt want to dig in a man and ask is he sunni shia or whatever), his country has alot of natural resources, yet he lives as an animal.
    Was Islam his problem too ?

    His problem was being one of the bad guys, going by his story and his inability to go back to Iraq.
    Under Saddam's regime, 10% of the population had a fine time abusing the other 90%. When the USA-lead Coalition liberated the 90%, the 10% could either leave or die or face what happens when the worm turns.
    He was a Baathist, him not paying his taxes in Iraq is a dead give away.


    And now lets say in a parallel universe in Syria war is over and syrian opposition is strong and they formed a state with justful institutions. And some christians or whoever just dont want to live there anymore. So what ?
    Some radical christians in usa hate that much liberal constitution ( for example abortion laws) and they would like to change it.

    I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, your English is way too broken here.

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    For USA constitution is sacred, if you attack constitution you re enemy of the state. You cant go under that level without a sanction.

    Well, duh!
    If you are against the Constitution you are against the USA, its people, and it's Government is something you want to overthrow.


    For real Islamic country, Islam is constitution and is sacred and is portrayed as truth, and you can not attack it .

    And there you go, congratulations!
    This is my point exactly, there is no such thing as separation of Church and State there, and there ought to be if the Islamic world is ever going to be part of the modern world!
    Instead, the militants what to destroy the modern world, and it's civilization.
    (No wonder the Socialists are in bed with Fundamentalist Islam, eh?)


    Can other live normally in that country, yes ! They lived for over 1000 years.

    the best generation of muslims took syria from bysantine empire and since that moment christians live among muslims. Oldest churches in the world are in Syria and Turkey. Have that in mind.
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    Are you seriously suggesting that the Christians are not being slaughtered, but just leaving because they want to?
    Because if you are, I have tons of material that show otherwise.
    But hell, what's another genocide in that part of the world, right? Just another day in the armpit of the planet...
    Jihad Report
    Jan 12, 2019 -
    Jan 18, 2019

    Attacks 28
    Killed 136
    Injured 231
    Suicide Blasts 5
    Countries 13


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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    Repeating lies will not transform them in truth .
    You have said that hundreds of millions of Christians supported the Holocaust : this is a lie ,and remains a lie , even when you will repeat it thousand times .
    The religion of those who were forced to fight for Hitler( = Germans,who were 80 million and not hundreds of millions ) was irrelevant and had NO influence upon their decision to fight for Hitler .
    The religion of the Muslims who fought for Hitler ( WSS division Handschar ) was very important, because they joined this division because they were Muslims .
    The religion of those who murdered during the war countless Jews in NA and the ME was very important ,because this religion (the ISLAM ) was the reason why they murdered these Jews .
    NO ONE fought against Hitler because he was a Christian , even the number of those who fought against Hitler because they were communists ,has alkso been exaggerated .
    A very small number of Germans fought for Hitler because they were nazis .Most people fought because they had to fight .
    WWII was NOT a war of religion, the only who were religiously motivated were the Muslims .
    Banning Muslim immigration is not only a good thing, but a necessity to survive : they are hostile to our values,thus there is no place for them in thge Western world .
    The present war is not a war of Christians against Muslims, but of Muslims against non Muslims .
    The US pilots who killed 52 terrorists in Somalia did not sing Onwards Christian soldiers, but the Muslim terrorists are shouting Allah Akbar .That's the difference .
    And repeating lies about interfaith marriage in Israel will also nt make them truth : 10% of Israeli marriages are interfaith .
    You telling us that sky is green and that grass is blue.

    ive mentioned big influencer in german tought, great Martin Luther who said: " we can only blame ourselves if we dont kill them all (jews)" and now you telling that all these european antisemitism was not religiously motivated !?

    the jews killed a god ! - according to christianity

    Cmon man. Dont force your theology and history on us. We re not same.

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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

    So you can tell that I spent 6 months over there, in places called Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq?

    How much time have you spent over there?



    Oh, I know that lots of people over there would LOVE to be liberated from Islamic Ideology, they just never fight hard enough to get free of it themselves.
    That, and freeing themselves of it makes they a target for all the other muslims in the world, and they generally end up dead... just like the vast majority of Christians in Syria. A century ago Syrian was 30% Christian, 20 years ago it was 10%.
    Care to guess what it is now?

    Oh, and when the girls end up dead and their bodies are mutilated, it ain't about sex.

    Honestly, how sick do you have to be to minimize an atrocity like this for Political purposes? It helps the Fundamentalists a lot when you try to hide this kind of thing from Western eyes, and hinders the moderates who should be making examples of these monsters.

    You mixed few things here.
    First, understand that a government ir leader or whatever in power is can proclaim itself as >islamic< but be corrupt and incompetent and even muslims there are not able to criticize it if they re not satisfied. Your friend prince Salman butchered that journalist few months ago. Dont want to mention other examples. So i ll use straw man and say how sick you must be to support him or Sisi .

    These societies are not developed because od many -many things. You re describing it too simplistic in my opinion. Where the hell is islamic ideology !? Few years ago i was in UAE and went to friday prayer in Shaikh Zayed mosque, big place, a man havent said 1 word about situation of syrian people ! Not 1 word ! I asked how much reffugees they took. 0! Yeah, zero ! We in europe took tens of thousands. And now you want me to accept those people as muslim/islamic ? I reject them as such. So really if you want to show me that Islam is the problem you should open the books and show me where is the problem, dont show me whqt people do or do not.

    Yes, people flee because of many different reasons. Some are just abused by nutjobs



    See this example, just one floor under my flat lives iraqi reffugee with his girfriend, in middle of europe. He said to me that he had 3 cars in front of his house, had few shops and havent paid taxes alot. He also said that now he lives like a dog, in a foreign country with shity climate, works too much and pays taxes alot and experiencing racism and marginalisation every day.
    He is muslim ( didnt want to dig in a man and ask is he sunni shia or whatever), his country has alot of natural resources, yet he lives as an animal.
    Was Islam his problem too ?

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    And now lets say in a parallel universe in Syria war is over and syrian opposition is strong and they formed a state with justful institutions. And some christians or whoever just dont want to live there anymore. So what ?
    Some radical christians in usa hate that much liberal constitution ( for example abortion laws) and they would like to change it.

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    For USA constitution is sacred, if you attack constitution you re enemy of the state. You cant go under that level without a sanction.

    For real Islamic country, Islam is constitution and is sacred and is portrayed as truth, and you can not attack it . Can other live normally in that country, yes ! They lived for over 1000 years.

    the best generation of muslims took syria from bysantine empire and since that moment christians live among muslims. Oldest churches in the world are in Syria and Turkey. Have that in mind.
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    Now

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