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  • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Only maybe .025-.05 percent of the Reich was Muslim, probably less. Idk why you are doing this, yes we both agree Hitler wanted to work with Muslims. Indeed the makeup of The Reich, Italy, Axis France was 99% Christian. One can see the allied side had the good Christians. You should delete any post of yours itt or another when you wrongly say the Reich was not a Christian movement. Christianity forces people to not kill innocents, that is a fact. The Reich Christians did not care about this rule, in fact many of them such as Father Tiso said Christianity approves of kicking Jews out of The Slovak Republic, that it was a Christians duty to stand up to Jews.

    All over Germany during Hitlers time in power Catholic and Lutheran Churches blasted Judaism with fiery speeches. This is basic common knowledge, you may have heard of Martin Luther and On Jews and Their Lies which Hitler admired Luther and the writings of Martin Luther. Hitler was a Catholic till his last breath, the Church in those days was led by Nazi Bishops, the head of the Church in WW2 was pro Hitler, he was one of the weakest minded Catholics to ever live for he could have excommunicated Hitler but he did not. His name is not worth mentioning.

    ISIL,AQ , The Taliban were theocratic movements which had the support of thousands of Muslims compared to the Hundreds of Millions of Christians and thousands of Muslims that supported Hitler during WW2. The differences between ISIL and the Reich was the Reich was technically not theocratic(though some of its allies were literally Catholic States) but in the 1930s and 1940s Christian Europeans largely supported Hitler. For many Christians Hitler was a great leader. So yes The Reich was not a theocratic movement but its vast vast support came from Christians many of whom said yes Christianity supports Hitlers views.

    The issue in modern day Israel and Saudi Arabia for example is that interfaith couples have to travel to different countries to get married, its because the Theocratic Gov of Saudi and Israel block interfaith marriage. Of course, rich American interfaith couples can visit Saudi or Israel so there are interfaith couples in Saudi and Israel, even bars and nightclubs but these countries are not free as our for example Turkey, USA, and England.
    Nazi Bishops , the pope being pro Hitler ??? von Galen being pro Nazi ?
    You have surpassed yourself in idiocies .

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    • Originally posted by Daud View Post

      You telling us that sky is green and that grass is blue.

      ive mentioned big influencer in german tought, great Martin Luther who said: " we can only blame ourselves if we dont kill them all (jews)" and now you telling that all these european antisemitism was not religiously motivated !?

      the jews killed a god ! - according to christianity

      Cmon man. Dont force your theology and history on us. We re not same.
      You are not the same as us : don't come in our countries: remain where you are .

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      • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

        Didn't have to try very hard to trigger this anti-American rant, did I ?
        Thanks for the display of true colors.



        Who the hell said it had to be Western secularism?

        Point out a part of the world where secularism is even controversial outside of those areas dominated by Muslims.
        Starting to see my point?

        And even better; you don't have to imitate ANYONE. I'm sure that if you can find many educated ones (not so easy in places where Madrasas are the only option for schooling) that you could find a LOT of intelligent young people who would love the chance to create something new and original that could work very well in the 21st Century World.
        Iran comes to mind.... but they tried that in 2009, and the Islamic Regime gunned them down in the streets.

        I keep saying this and nobody keeps listening; if this worlds needs just one thing, it is new and original ideas.



        See? You are doing exactly what the hard-line Islamic Fundamentalists want you to do.
        You equate every viable alternative to Islamic Theocracy with solely Western ideology, trapping yourself into supporting the very same mad-dog Militants that you earlier said were not so important.
        Thanks for proving me right, in so many ways.



        - you gotta admit, it works very well for the rest of the world. and BTW; Sharia is hideous.
        - how's that ethic been working for you lately?
        - spoken like a true Fundamentalist, ISIS would be proud of you.




        You mean like the EU made your country "their"?

        'Fraind not, ol' hoss, Better break out your Marx if you want to come up with some twisted & roundabout explanation of how Germany, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan and a bunch of other countries the USA conquered and then rebuilt (or tried to, in the case of TrashCanistan) are now our sole property.
        You know, how the USSR did with the Warsaw Pact nations and every other nation they made communist at the point of a gun.

        Dont be too sensitive, its not any type of rant, noone is burning american flag here and shouting Allahu Akbar. There is many more things to see in society, not only PPP, and i ve mentioned some to show you that its not that "developed" and "modern" as you may think. For example:

        The second most common family arrangement is children living with a single mother, at 23 percent. These statistics come from the Census Bureau’s annual America’s Families and Living Arrangements table package.


        For me , to see every 4(5)th child to live without father is a disaster for future of society. These kids have more chance to ruin their lives in crime and drugs. BUT i dont enjoy seeing this, just to clarify my position. I would like to see every human being happy.
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        I believe you re introduced in history of your society and how and why secularism is developed. In islamic world, they didnt have same problems, they had strong anchor to rely on. The problem was corruption , from leaders to scholars. Giving fatwas for political goals and worldly positions. Even now, its corruption, not law. No matter which constitution you bring, if you let corruption to spread in your society will crush and will live in povetry and uncertainty. Your secular constitution+corruption will not work.



        Ibn Tayymiyah (a man that is portrayed as a godfather of islamism in west ), even he said this:

        “It is said that Allah allows the just state to remain even if it is led by unbelievers, but Allah will not allow the oppressive state to remain even if it is led by Muslims. And it is said that the world will endure with justice and unbelief, but it will not endure with oppression and Islam.”

        Source: al-Amr bil Ma’rūf 1/29

        قال ابن تيمية رحمه الله قيل إنَّ اللَّهَ يُقِيمُ الدَّوْلَةَ الْعَادِلَةَ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ كَافِرَةً وَلَا يُقِيمُ الظَّالِمَةَ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ مُسْلِمَةً ويقال الدُّنْيَا تَدُومُ مَعَ الْعَدْلِ وَالْكُفْرِ وَلَا تَدُومُ مَعَ الظُّلْمِ وَالْإِسْلَامِ

        1/29 ا




        And problems of muslim societies will not be solved in short terms and dumb political moves and ideas. I dont admire that radical groups just because they re going with their heads through the wall. You cant build a house by starting to build a roof you know
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        I dont believe that you re aware of things all these NGOs doing in Turkey Egypt Pakistan etc. You would be better introduced in my post that you quoted. They spread alot of ideological garbage to muslim youth, and i dont say that "america hates islam" or anything like that. Its just some circles in your world are not interested in stron islamic world because of pure interest, nothing to do with "religion". Islam is a ideal, civilisation an can bring all those people together.

        I would like to have market of 1.7 billion people

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        • Originally posted by Daud View Post


          Dont be too sensitive, its not any type of rant,
          I'm the one that was laughing, so I guess I could be accused of being insensitive.

          In fact, that happens a lot, every time I step outside the bounds of Political Correctness (another Communist invention) and criticize Left Wing socialist programs.
          Case in point -


          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          For me , to see every 4(5)th child to live without father is a disaster for future of society. These kids have more chance to ruin their lives in crime and drugs. BUT i dont enjoy seeing this, just to clarify my position. I would like to see every human being happy.
          I most certainly do NOT want to see that kind of evil stupidity spread to any part of the world, at all.
          And in the USA, the number is more like 70% for Black families, at it started getting that way when Socialist programs began to be implemented in this country,

          How many times and in how many ways must I tell you that I am not demanding that the Middle East be made into a clone of the West?!?
          Is Democracy seen as a solely Western concept?
          Is modern society and technology entirely Western?
          Is that what the Mullahs have been telling you all your life?

          Oh, are they telling you that the West will annihilate anyone that tries to advance themselves in their own way?
          Nations that accept socialism have a way of annihilating themselves, and it isn't just a matter of bearded she-men in dresses ordering people to call them "Zir" as they shove their way into a public restroom for women.... altho that is exactly the sort of thing the Left Wing loves to push on people.

          I wish every nation on Earth was as prosperous as America. Without Envy it would be far more difficult to justify all the hate that they send our way.


          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          I believe you re introduced in history of your society and how and why secularism is developed. In islamic world, they didnt have same problems, they had strong anchor to rely on. The problem was corruption , from leaders to scholars. Giving fatwas for political goals and worldly positions. Even now, its corruption, not law. No matter which constitution you bring, if you let corruption to spread in your society will crush and will live in povetry and uncertainty. Your secular constitution+corruption will not work.
          Corruption was never part of the equation, unless you can show me exactly where it was codified and made part of the founding of the nation.
          Corruption is to be fought against, it is a poison that accumulates and eventually destroys whatever it invades.
          It is death, but what lives forever?



          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          Ibn Tayymiyah (a man that is portrayed as a godfather of islamism in west ), even he said this:

          “It is said that Allah allows the just state to remain even if it is led by unbelievers, but Allah will not allow the oppressive state to remain even if it is led by Muslims. And it is said that the world will endure with justice and unbelief, but it will not endure with oppression and Islam.”
          Smart fellow, I wonder what he has to say about Iran, in particular.



          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          I dont believe that you re aware of things all these NGOs doing in Turkey Egypt Pakistan etc.
          NO idea, the media here hides that from us.
          Can you post any links to that information here?

          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          I would like to have market of 1.7 billion people
          That number assumes that every child born to every muslim will have to become a muslim .... if they are ever given a choice?
          Are they?
          Even i know that the pressure is tremendous, and I can link dozens of links to show what happens to people who try to leave it.
          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

            Nazi Bishops , the pope being pro Hitler ??? von Galen being pro Nazi ?
            You have surpassed yourself in idiocies .
            I did not bring up von Galen.

            Albert Speer recalled how Hitler remained Catholic until his dying days. The Church was led in WW2 by arguably the weakest and most intolerant Catholics of Catholic History. While Allied Communists were excommunicated, Hitler and Reich Officials were celebrated by Catholic leaders. Of the course the Church was founded by Jesus and its ideals stand against the Reich.

            You have recently been getting totally defeated in our debates. Especially in the last few posts. My facts vs your opinions good friend.
            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

            George S Patton

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            • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

              I did not bring up von Galen.

              Albert Speer recalled how Hitler remained Catholic until his dying days. The Church was led in WW2 by arguably the weakest and most intolerant Catholics of Catholic History. While Allied Communists were excommunicated, Hitler and Reich Officials were celebrated by Catholic leaders. Of the course the Church was founded by Jesus and its ideals stand against the Reich.

              You have recently been getting totally defeated in our debates. Especially in the last few posts. My facts vs your opinions good friend.
              Albert Speer as a source ? Why not Hitler himself ?
              You said that the German bishops were nazis : I gave an example that you were wrong : the Gauleiter of the Rhineland demanded that von Galen should be hanged publicly .

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              • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                I'm the one that was laughing, so I guess I could be accused of being insensitive.

                In fact, that happens a lot, every time I step outside the bounds of Political Correctness (another Communist invention) and criticize Left Wing socialist programs.
                Case in point -




                I most certainly do NOT want to see that kind of evil stupidity spread to any part of the world, at all.
                And in the USA, the number is more like 70% for Black families, at it started getting that way when Socialist programs began to be implemented in this country,

                How many times and in how many ways must I tell you that I am not demanding that the Middle East be made into a clone of the West?!?
                Is Democracy seen as a solely Western concept?
                Is modern society and technology entirely Western?
                Is that what the Mullahs have been telling you all your life?

                Oh, are they telling you that the West will annihilate anyone that tries to advance themselves in their own way?
                Nations that accept socialism have a way of annihilating themselves, and it isn't just a matter of bearded she-men in dresses ordering people to call them "Zir" as they shove their way into a public restroom for women.... altho that is exactly the sort of thing the Left Wing loves to push on people.

                I wish every nation on Earth was as prosperous as America. Without Envy it would be far more difficult to justify all the hate that they send our way.




                Corruption was never part of the equation, unless you can show me exactly where it was codified and made part of the founding of the nation.
                Corruption is to be fought against, it is a poison that accumulates and eventually destroys whatever it invades.
                It is death, but what lives forever?





                Smart fellow, I wonder what he has to say about Iran, in particular.





                NO idea, the media here hides that from us.
                Can you post any links to that information here?



                That number assumes that every child born to every muslim will have to become a muslim .... if they are ever given a choice?
                Are they?
                Even i know that the pressure is tremendous, and I can link dozens of links to show what happens to people who try to leave it.
                Well I havent found anything worth discussing since i have alot of same opinions.
                Only i ll mention that technological advancement and "modern" state is not dependent on some constitution or law, commies went to space too. Its just peoples choice, will they live in mud or not.

                - you personaly dont push westernisation there but it happened anyway . ottoman empire came too late with any reform, 85% or even more population were illiterate and colonizers indoctrinated people, forced secularism and it remained till this day.


                Corruption must be fought- they dont fight. I ve told you muslim societies today are not islamic at all.

                What ibn Taymiyyah said about shias (iranians) !? I ll find you one quote
                Last edited by Daud; 28 Jan 19, 07:56.

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