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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

    Please take a deep breath and hold it until that time.
    hakuna matata

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by JML View Post
    Funny how mostly Christians are in this thread condemning Islam for it's violent ways when Christianity itself was spread by sword and Christians have countless times slaughtered other Christians over minor differences of faith.
    Except that those things happened in the past, and aren't a problem now. It's islamists flying aircraft into skyscrapers, stoning women and children, beheading people on youtube, still using slavery, etc etc. This thread has nothing to do with alleged or real Christian atrocities in the past. We're typing about the islamists, and they are definitely the big problem nowadays, not Christians.

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  • Half Pint John
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    and saudi and iranian regimes have to be TOTALLY destroyed and these countries secularized before this menace can completely disappear
    Please take a deep breath and hold it until that time.

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  • Karri
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    Originally posted by JML View Post
    Simply large surplus of young men who are unemployed and have no future. They are easily swayed by someone offering them future. Nothing particularly to do with Islam. Same thing has happened elsewhere with other ideologies like Red Kherms in Cambodia who if anything were worse than IS.

    In Syria troubles started after long drought when cities were filled with unemployed people from countryside.
    Yep. In the end, it's a lot of people with no money or future, a society in turmoil, and power structures that are trying everything not to become irrelevant. We have quite a few people here who got their education thanks to US military. It's no secret that even in America fighting in wars is a way out of poverty and misery...just that in places like Afghanistan or Syria the difference are much bigger.

    Originally posted by nastle View Post

    and saudi and iranian regimes have to be TOTALLY destroyed and these countries secularized before this menace can completely disappear
    And obviously, that is why they are doing everything in their power not to be destroyed.

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    Yeah, I know it's always been a creed with low tolerances, but we went for quite a while without suicide bombers and bloody mayhem. Then we hit the 90s and events just kept building until 9/11, and we're drone-striking them, and they're killing each other.

    So what ended the quiet lull this time? What got the drums beating in the brush and sent the natives upon the warpath?
    we were using them to kill soviet soldiers in afghanistan, the worst policy decision ever
    these afghan savages used to torture and kill russian soldiers and pakistani intelligence was fully complicit so thats how they got so bold
    pakistan was their refuge, afghanistan was their school, KSA was the sponser and sadly we provided the brains

    they were deluded to think we defeated a superpower and then they turned those tendencies against the WEst

    and saudi and iranian regimes have to be TOTALLY destroyed and these countries secularized before this menace can completely disappear

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    What kicked off the current wave of bloodshed?

    The Soviet invasion of Afghan? The fall of the Shah? The abandonment of military actions against Israel?

    What set the spark to the tinder for the fire that is consuming the Middle East and other areas? It isn't just jihad, because they're killing far more muslims than they are infidels.

    So what set it off?
    there is no radical islam, even the sufi sunni orders savagely fought the russians in the dagestan region in the 17th century
    islam has been attacking raiding and slaving christians for centuries esp the russians
    islam itself is no more savage than any of the abrahamic faiths
    its the people of middle east that are more savage than their neighbors and thats the root of the problem
    our socalled conservatives are so concerned with russian menace while the real menace are the muslim countries + india+ china + japan
    We and russians both have common enemies , those who truly are against islam should wholeheartedly support russians and push for limiting immigration in europe
    we should also fully support israel's expansion at the expense of its neighbors , more european jewish immigration there but we should not send our boys to die for the security of the jewish state in fact it should be the other way round

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  • JML
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    Funny how mostly Christians are in this thread condemning Islam for it's violent ways when Christianity itself was spread by sword and Christians have countless times slaughtered other Christians over minor differences of faith.

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  • G David Bock
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    Answering the thread title rather than the OP post; ...
    ... Mohammad!

    He is the one whom picked up a sword and lead his followers into battles and conquests subduing those whom would not convert to Islam. And left the injunction; from Allah; to continue such upon his 'departure' until the whole planet has been conquered and converted to Islam.

    When the resources are there to fight the Kafir, Infidel; the faithful and fundamental Muslim must do such. When resources aren't up to an assured return of effort, the "Holy Warrior" may hold off Jihad until a more promising time and conditions.

    Hence what has become an off-again/on-again world war for the past near 1400 years.

    Rather Basic really ...

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  • wolfhnd
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    The Mongols pretty much broke the back of Islam in North Africa. Later the Ottoman empire's collapse lead to instability in the Arab countries. The sultan was more of a secular leader than a religious leader despite theocratic overtones. A more radical religiosity in North Africa and Iran was a natural reaction to new secular powers of France and Britain replacing the Ottoman empire. The Zionist insurrection in Palestine is evidence of how weak British and French control was after WWII while at the same time oil brought infidels in increasing numbers to the middle east further destabilizing a culture already in crisis. The radical form of Islam that emerged in Saudi Arabia and later in Iran created an environment and resources where terrorism was bound to emerge as a political tool in a convoluted web of conflicts. The hatred of Jews in the Koran made Israel a propaganda and recruiting tool uniting various traditions in hatred of foreigners who even partially supported Israel.

    Terrorism is the natural tool of weak powers confronting foreign control. Islam itself is the perfect tool for terrorist recruitment. The existence of a "holy land" unites Muslims all over the world. The number of Muslims may be the most significant factor in how common Muslim terrorists appear to be. Fanatics willing to kill themselves for an ideology are unfortunately not unusual.

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  • Salinator
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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by JML View Post
    Simply large surplus of young men who are unemployed and have no future. They are easily swayed by someone offering them future. Nothing particularly to do with Islam. Same thing has happened elsewhere with other ideologies like Red Kherms in Cambodia who if anything were worse than IS.

    In Syria troubles started after long drought when cities were filled with unemployed people from countryside.
    Poverty can be issue, but even in the USA there is brutal poverty, there is in my country the fact that we do not have national health insurance or any sort of feeling of pride, of actually standing for something worthy like we once had in the past.

    Even in wealthy countries such as the USA there are homeless folks. There is religious bigotry in the USA, in the highest of ranks. In the USA there are supremacist Christians in Trumps admin such as Pastor Jeffress(Trump spiritual advisor) whom suggest Mormons, Jews, and Muslims are going to burn in hell.

    In Saudi Arabia and Israel we see two somewhat wealthy countries...there is struggle in these two countries. In Israel and Saudi while there is wealth there are also many poor and working class Jews and Muslims and many of them stand by freedom.

    Its the working man in the middle east that reaches out to Americans , English and more as a means to say hey even though our governments are corrupt we the people stand for freedom. Israel and Saudi Arabia is a case of two somewhat wealthy countries allied to the USA that also have laws that are different from the USA, in terms of freedom of movement and equality among man. The USA has to once and for all bring back the American spirit and ally with countries that support freedom. Lobbyists of the Israeli and Saudi gov are in the wrong and must be opposed and kindly told to change their views, if there is no change further action must be taken. All men deserve freedom, it is a crime that in Saudi Arabia and Israel there is not dignity nor freedom.

    Poverty is not the only issue facing the Middle east. No Gov in the Middle East has the right to tell people what religion they must be or whom they can marry, only Turkey stands by US style freedom.

    The entire middle east can learn from the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 22 Sep 18, 17:09.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Supremacist Jews, Christians and Muslims of the middle east are a problem. Its only Turkey of all middle eastern countries that allows freedom, Turkey is Muslim majority but home to Patriotic Turkish Jews and Christians.

    People are the problem, religion is a thing it can never be blamed for the ills of society.

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  • Half Pint John
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    The start, according to bin Laden was Gulf 1 when the west stationed large military forces on holy land in SA. The French and British earlier occupation did nothing but build resentment

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    Much earlier than that. If you read Tom Holland's book on the start of Islam, there were fanatics chopping unbelievers heads off in the seventh and eighth centuries And by unbelievers I include those who believed in a different brand of Islam or were not fanatical enough. Isis were genuinely copying early Islam.
    Par for the times.

    Christians were burning people at the stake

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  • JML
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    Simply large surplus of young men who are unemployed and have no future. They are easily swayed by someone offering them future. Nothing particularly to do with Islam. Same thing has happened elsewhere with other ideologies like Red Kherms in Cambodia who if anything were worse than IS.

    In Syria troubles started after long drought when cities were filled with unemployed people from countryside.

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