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  • #76
    Have you noticed that almost all devastating ideologies are founded in Europe ?

    Starting with communism, faschism, national socialism, eugenics... etc.

    Arabs learned these things from colonial powers. Party of Abdel Nasser, Saddam Hussain, Assad family was Ba'th which had pan-arab-nationalistic root.

    Antisemitic stereotypes among muslims are the same europeans had.

    It sholdnt be strange that Europe produced such a big number if foreign fighters.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Daud View Post
      Have you noticed that almost all devastating ideologies are founded in Europe ?

      Starting with communism, faschism, national socialism, eugenics... etc.

      Arabs learned these things from colonial powers. Party of Abdel Nasser, Saddam Hussain, Assad family was Ba'th which had pan-arab-nationalistic root.

      Antisemitic stereotypes among muslims are the same europeans had.

      It sholdnt be strange that Europe produced such a big number if foreign fighters.
      I keep telling you that the Middle East needs to come up with something new.
      Learn from the mistakes of the West, which ought to be pretty damned obvious by now, leave the bad behind and use the good stuff.

      Last I checked, there are almost as many people in the Arab world as there are in the USA, just imagine what they could come up with if the Government and the Clerics would just GET OUT OF THEIR WAY and let them be creative, build things, and make their own way in life.
      (that's what I mean by 'the good stuff')




      "Why is the Rum gone?"

      -Captain Jack

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      • #78
        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

        I keep telling you that the Middle East needs to come up with something new.
        Learn from the mistakes of the West, which ought to be pretty damned obvious by now, leave the bad behind and use the good stuff.

        Last I checked, there are almost as many people in the Arab world as there are in the USA, just imagine what they could come up with if the Government and the Clerics would just GET OUT OF THEIR WAY and let them be creative, build things, and make their own way in life.
        (that's what I mean by 'the good stuff')

        There is around 300 million arabs, but they re just 20% of muslims in the world. As Trump would say: " there is tremendous potential". When you mentioned clerics. From bad people, bad cleric will come and lead them. So they re part of the problem. People need to change.


        What ive found interesting is durring 15th century when Johann Gensfleisch / Gutenberg revolutionized book printing, idea was that all nation should be litterate and every person shoud read the Bible and personally seek way to a God.
        That fundaments led Lutheran states to progress alot faster then other world. Catholic church started to lose power over people.


        On the other side, in Ottoman Empire, only saphardic jews were allowed to print( in 1494 i think) !
        It took almost 300 years in till clerics and sultan allowed printing ! That thing was unforgivable ! We see even today results of such a bad politic.


        Reasons for not allowing printing i think were:
        - clerics didnt want to lose power over illiterate folk, they would have problems with educated folk
        - ulama didnt want to deal with flood of half - educated scholars. Something like today google-scholars lets say. I think that they had fear such persons could instill debates and argumenting among folk which would led to disorder and trouble
        - arabic symbols and words have very different system from latin and it was alot harder templates/patterns to print.



        I was really sad when i ve read that even in 19th century, more then 80% of Ottoman citizens were fully illiterate. Its not what it meant to be with first quranic revelation "read !"( Quran 96:1)

        You cant read if you re illiterate, you deserted the Book, and all other knowledge.




        But... with internet introduced in that part of the world, people got hunger for knowledge and i can track maybe in last 35 years things are changing alot, shifting to better.
        I too am able to find many litterature nowdays and can speak 3 languages, and read arabic so we re blessed alot. All of our ancestors couldnt even dream to have this.

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        • #79
          A good, thoughtful post. I cut a few bits here because I did not have anything to say about them and wanted to focus on certain things.
          (that is always the reason why I do that, unlike what some folks will say...)

          Originally posted by Daud View Post
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          That fundaments led Lutheran states to progress alot faster then other world. Catholic church started to lose power over people.
          Yes, and I think they saw this coming. Years of frustration boiled over into the horrific 30 Years War.
          That one is worth looking into, some say that it was transformed the Germans into the rather uptight and combative people that they later became. A quarter of a century living in a place as bad as Pol Pot's Cambodia will do that.... and I base that on the fact that both places underwent a 30% overall reduction in population.

          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          Reasons for not allowing printing i think were:
          - clerics didnt want to lose power over illiterate folk, they would have problems with educated folk
          - ulama didnt want to deal with flood of half - educated scholars. Something like today google-scholars lets say. I think that they had fear such persons could instill debates and argumenting among folk which would led to disorder and trouble
          - arabic symbols and words have very different system from latin and it was alot harder templates/patterns to print.
          I give the first one most credit, the Clerical Class in Turkey would have known all about that war and the Reformation, and would have done anything in their power to prevent that from happening in their part of the world.

          The second one is possible, there isn't all that much that is new when it comes to human behavior. However, the solution to half-educated people is to make them finish their education.

          No, its not that it was difficult. Even it seemed impossible to set up good type from that script, people would have found a way. The only thing that is needed is the free exchange of ideas. Nobody invented the automobile. A dozen different guys figured out how to make the various pieces work, and then another hundred guys tried all sorts of ways to it all together.
          Three or four of them got it right, and the rest copied them.

          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          You cant read if you re illiterate, you deserted the Book, and all other knowledge.
          A world of YES.

          Originally posted by Daud View Post
          But... with internet introduced in that part of the world, people got hunger for knowledge and i can track maybe in last 35 years things are changing alot, shifting to better.
          I too am able to find many litterature nowdays and can speak 3 languages, and read arabic so we re blessed alot. All of our ancestors couldnt even dream to have this.
          And now, the next step for YOU ALL to take that ball and run with it.

          This isn't easy for me to say, but it has to be said; You people cannot continue to rely on the USA. (and you do, be it Europe or the Middle East or wherever).
          We aren't going to be around for much longer, not as we are now. In a very real sense, what the rest of the world has been thinking of as America is dying, already.

          But before your radical buddies start to celebrate, they ought to think about what that really means for them.
          In brief; start learning Chinese, or learn to actually stand on your own.
          There will be no other options... unless you think that trusting the Russians is a good idea...

          This goes beyond what we have been talking about. The only Arms Industry that is worthy of the name between the Arabian Sea and the Mediterranean is located in Iran. Instead of industry or even a good banking system the Gulf States build palaces and resorts that they don't want anyone from outside to get much use out of.
          Building a form of Capitalism where people can't profit from destruction would put any nation that came up with it in the cockpit of the world economy, and in the History Books.... is anyone working on that?
          Petro-dollars would enable any power making use of it to dominated Space, anyone interested?

          And on and on it goes.

          I'll have to stop there, its late and I have said too much already.
          Good luck, your generation is going to need it.
          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • #80
            There was no trigger event for radical isl;am, as islam always was and is radical .

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