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  • #16
    Answering the thread title rather than the OP post; ...
    ... Mohammad!

    He is the one whom picked up a sword and lead his followers into battles and conquests subduing those whom would not convert to Islam. And left the injunction; from Allah; to continue such upon his 'departure' until the whole planet has been conquered and converted to Islam.

    When the resources are there to fight the Kafir, Infidel; the faithful and fundamental Muslim must do such. When resources aren't up to an assured return of effort, the "Holy Warrior" may hold off Jihad until a more promising time and conditions.

    Hence what has become an off-again/on-again world war for the past near 1400 years.

    Rather Basic really ...
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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    • #17
      Funny how mostly Christians are in this thread condemning Islam for it's violent ways when Christianity itself was spread by sword and Christians have countless times slaughtered other Christians over minor differences of faith.
      "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
      Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
        What kicked off the current wave of bloodshed?

        The Soviet invasion of Afghan? The fall of the Shah? The abandonment of military actions against Israel?

        What set the spark to the tinder for the fire that is consuming the Middle East and other areas? It isn't just jihad, because they're killing far more muslims than they are infidels.

        So what set it off?
        there is no radical islam, even the sufi sunni orders savagely fought the russians in the dagestan region in the 17th century
        islam has been attacking raiding and slaving christians for centuries esp the russians
        islam itself is no more savage than any of the abrahamic faiths
        its the people of middle east that are more savage than their neighbors and thats the root of the problem
        our socalled conservatives are so concerned with russian menace while the real menace are the muslim countries + india+ china + japan
        We and russians both have common enemies , those who truly are against islam should wholeheartedly support russians and push for limiting immigration in europe
        we should also fully support israel's expansion at the expense of its neighbors , more european jewish immigration there but we should not send our boys to die for the security of the jewish state in fact it should be the other way round

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

          Yeah, I know it's always been a creed with low tolerances, but we went for quite a while without suicide bombers and bloody mayhem. Then we hit the 90s and events just kept building until 9/11, and we're drone-striking them, and they're killing each other.

          So what ended the quiet lull this time? What got the drums beating in the brush and sent the natives upon the warpath?
          we were using them to kill soviet soldiers in afghanistan, the worst policy decision ever
          these afghan savages used to torture and kill russian soldiers and pakistani intelligence was fully complicit so thats how they got so bold
          pakistan was their refuge, afghanistan was their school, KSA was the sponser and sadly we provided the brains

          they were deluded to think we defeated a superpower and then they turned those tendencies against the WEst

          and saudi and iranian regimes have to be TOTALLY destroyed and these countries secularized before this menace can completely disappear

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JML View Post
            Simply large surplus of young men who are unemployed and have no future. They are easily swayed by someone offering them future. Nothing particularly to do with Islam. Same thing has happened elsewhere with other ideologies like Red Kherms in Cambodia who if anything were worse than IS.

            In Syria troubles started after long drought when cities were filled with unemployed people from countryside.
            Yep. In the end, it's a lot of people with no money or future, a society in turmoil, and power structures that are trying everything not to become irrelevant. We have quite a few people here who got their education thanks to US military. It's no secret that even in America fighting in wars is a way out of poverty and misery...just that in places like Afghanistan or Syria the difference are much bigger.

            Originally posted by nastle View Post

            and saudi and iranian regimes have to be TOTALLY destroyed and these countries secularized before this menace can completely disappear
            And obviously, that is why they are doing everything in their power not to be destroyed.
            Wisdom is personal

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            • #21
              and saudi and iranian regimes have to be TOTALLY destroyed and these countries secularized before this menace can completely disappear
              Please take a deep breath and hold it until that time.
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JML View Post
                Funny how mostly Christians are in this thread condemning Islam for it's violent ways when Christianity itself was spread by sword and Christians have countless times slaughtered other Christians over minor differences of faith.
                Except that those things happened in the past, and aren't a problem now. It's islamists flying aircraft into skyscrapers, stoning women and children, beheading people on youtube, still using slavery, etc etc. This thread has nothing to do with alleged or real Christian atrocities in the past. We're typing about the islamists, and they are definitely the big problem nowadays, not Christians.
                The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                  Please take a deep breath and hold it until that time.
                  hakuna matata

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Karri View Post

                    Yep. In the end, it's a lot of people with no money or future, a society in turmoil, and power structures that are trying everything not to become irrelevant. We have quite a few people here who got their education thanks to US military. It's no secret that even in America fighting in wars is a way out of poverty and misery...just that in places like Afghanistan or Syria the difference are much bigger.



                    And obviously, that is why they are doing everything in their power not to be destroyed.
                    its not all poverty related
                    inluence of ideology of expansion in islam by force cannot be underestimated
                    in short its a plethora of reasons

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by nastle View Post

                      its not all poverty related
                      inluence of ideology of expansion in islam by force cannot be underestimated
                      in short its a plethora of reasons
                      Of course not, but for the guys blowing themselves up or doing the dirty work it usually is. You don't go to work every day because you are studying capitalism either.
                      Wisdom is personal

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                      • #26
                        Most people in the world admire Islam, along with Christianity and Hinduism due to its sheer number and obvious and clear cut attractiveness. Being against Islam is like being against the Roman Empire, its annoying and anti historical.

                        Some Anti Muslims do not understand that if they are against Islam, they are default against Judaism. The few anti Muslims here on ACG like G David Bock and Hida are pro Israel, they ought change their views on being anti Muslim because Muhammad was a warrior as David was. Muhammad carried the very sword that David carried.
                        Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 25 Sep 18, 20:07.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by nastle View Post

                          there is no radical islam, even the sufi sunni orders savagely fought the russians in the dagestan region in the 17th century
                          islam has been attacking raiding and slaving christians for centuries esp the russians
                          islam itself is no more savage than any of the abrahamic faiths
                          its the people of middle east that are more savage than their neighbors and thats the root of the problem
                          our socalled conservatives are so concerned with russian menace while the real menace are the muslim countries + india+ china + japan
                          We and russians both have common enemies , those who truly are against islam should wholeheartedly support russians and push for limiting immigration in europe
                          we should also fully support israel's expansion at the expense of its neighbors , more european jewish immigration there but we should not send our boys to die for the security of the jewish state in fact it should be the other way round
                          Well friend can you convince 60+ year old white Americans that Russia and by default Iran and Israel(two of the Russians allied countries) are friends? Remember the Communist witch hunts and Vietnam War?

                          Last time the Americans and Russians had a truly significant relationship was when real men were in power, during WW2....at least then those men spoke openly and we knew what their actions were.

                          When FDR passed away, the USA and the world was set back for years, we are still recovering from the disaster of the so called Cold war. WW2 was suppose to be the last time civilized nations fought, it was not. For your vision to partially take place(minus the unnesscary religious strife) FDR would have had to live past April of 1945...and the USA of today would have to have allies with the same values we have...as for the middle east the only country today that has the values the USA has is Turkey...thats undeniable to based on the law systems of the countries.
                          Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 25 Sep 18, 20:00.
                          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                          George S Patton

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                          • #28
                            Only The Turkish Constitution stands out in the middle east as providing equality among man.

                            Israel and Saudi need a legit Constitution.

                            Facts always defeat the distortions created by supremacist Christians, Muslims and Jews of the world.
                            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                            George S Patton

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                              Most people in the world admire Islam, along with Christianity and Hinduism due to its sheer number and obvious and clear cut attractiveness. Being against Islam is like being against the Roman Empire, its annoying and anti historical.

                              Some Anti Muslims do not understand that if they are against Islam, they are default against Judaism. The few anti Muslims here on ACG like G David Bock and Hida are pro Israel, they ought change their views on being anti Muslim because Muhammad was a warrior as David was. Muhammad carried the very sword that David carried.
                              i cannot think of any decent person who does not HATE roman empire and all its evils

                              i do agree with latter part of your post though, Muhammad did style himself as an old testament prophet.But how can you defend the shocking barbarity of the old testement ?


                              I'm pro-israel precisely because it is a secular jewish state founded by primarily EUROPEAN jews and serves as an outpost of european civilization in the middle east , if israel would follow the ways of the old testement prophets then they would look like a jewish version of isis
                              I also support israel as they are the natural enemies of arabs ( not neccessarily muslims ), christian and secular arabs are just as bad as religious muslim arabs

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                                Well friend can you convince 60+ year old white Americans that Russia and by default Iran and Israel(two of the Russians allied countries) are friends? Remember the Communist witch hunts and Vietnam War?

                                Last time the Americans and Russians had a truly significant relationship was when real men were in power, during WW2....at least then those men spoke openly and we knew what their actions were.

                                When FDR passed away, the USA and the world was set back for years, we are still recovering from the disaster of the so called Cold war. WW2 was suppose to be the last time civilized nations fought, it was not. For your vision to partially take place(minus the unnesscary religious strife) FDR would have had to live past April of 1945...and the USA of today would have to have allies with the same values we have...as for the middle east the only country today that has the values the USA has is Turkey...thats undeniable to based on the law systems of the countries.
                                thats the problem we in US have grown up to hate the germans and russians

                                its really sad and hollywood to this day churns out anti-nazi ( anti-german ) movies every year on a regular basis

                                can we make a movie on arab slave trade ? or turkish atrocties in balkans ? for a change
                                or about the evils of british empire ...no ofcourse not ,

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