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  • The US Navy in the Persian Gulf

    It appears that the Iranians are swinging way above their true weight again. They have apparently forgotten what happened to their navy in the Gulf in 1987 when they were sunk in an afternoon:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    They can afford a new Navy with the money Democrats gave them.
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    • #3
      Given how much the Saudis spend on their military and their obvious interest in keeping the straits open, shouldn’t we encourage them to take action against Iran if the latter close the Straits?
      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Surrey View Post
        Given how much the Saudis spend on their military and their obvious interest in keeping the straits open, shouldn’t we encourage them to take action against Iran if the latter close the Straits?
        If the Saudis felt strong enough to directly confront Iran they would have already done so. Neither country appears confident in the outcome of direct conflict which is why they are fighting a proxy war in Yemen.
        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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        • #5
          Doesn't that moron realize that he's contradicting himself? How can Iran have "full control" if the USN is still there?
          Just an aside, but that's the whole problem with the LCS concept. It was designed to be used in smaller waters like the Persian Gulf, Baltic and the Asian straits and coastlines. Yet, those are some of the most dangerous areas and require a much larger ship with much better offensive and defensive capabilities.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by johns624 View Post
            Doesn't that moron realize that he's contradicting himself? How can Iran have "full control" if the USN is still there?
            Just an aside, but that's the whole problem with the LCS concept. It was designed to be used in smaller waters like the Persian Gulf, Baltic and the Asian straits and coastlines. Yet, those are some of the most dangerous areas and require a much larger ship with much better offensive and defensive capabilities.
            And just the waters where a much larger vessel can be limited in where it can go. Back in 2000 I was working alongside a former captain of one of the US's big carriers who had once taken it into the Gulf on a good will/showing the flag cruise to the UAE and Bahrain and he said taking a big ship like that with a large draught was a bit of a nightmare unless one kept to the defined big tanker lane. Now a warshp that is not on a good will trip can't be confined to limited sea lanes.
            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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            • #7
              Yet, a CVN with a CG and a couple of DDGs can defend themselves while smaller, more maneuverable ships, but with less capabilities are going to take more casualties, if things turn hot.
              Actually, carriers going into the Persian Gulf proves my point. They are operating constrained, yet the Iranians still won't mess with them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                Yet, a CVN with a CG and a couple of DDGs can defend themselves while smaller, more maneuverable ships, but with less capabilities are going to take more casualties, if things turn hot.
                Actually, carriers going into the Persian Gulf proves my point. They are operating constrained, yet the Iranians still won't mess with them.
                And the F-18s won't be constrained. BTW, the USN refers to the Gulf as the Arabian Gulf. Pisses off the Persians.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                  And just the waters where a much larger vessel can be limited in where it can go. Back in 2000 I was working alongside a former captain of one of the US's big carriers who had once taken it into the Gulf on a good will/showing the flag cruise to the UAE and Bahrain and he said taking a big ship like that with a large draught was a bit of a nightmare unless one kept to the defined big tanker lane. Now a warshp that is not on a good will trip can't be confined to limited sea lanes.
                  It's okay. The RN has already said that they won't send their carriers anywhere there's real danger. They've turned into one of those ABC navies that the UK used to build ships for. You know the ones where capital ships were for national prestige, not to be scratched in warfare...

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                  • #10
                    The US Navy is not to be trifled with.
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                      The US Navy is not to be trifled with.
                      Well, they shouldn't be.

                      Hopefully the next time one of the Iranian speed boats makes an attack run at one of our destroyers we send it to the bottom.

                      And let's not forget Coastal Riverine Squadron 3.

                      We need to show the Iranians we aren't to be trifled with. They take advantage because we've shown weakness over the past few years.
                      Last edited by Gixxer86g; 28 Aug 18, 07:09.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post

                        BTW, the USN refers to the Gulf as the Arabian Gulf. Pisses off the Persians.
                        Actually neither the Arabs or the Iranians like the term Persian Gulf for the latter it has connotations of the Shah and the days of the Anglo Persian Oil Company. They call it the Iranian Gulf
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                          The US Navy is not to be trifled with.
                          The US Navy is excellent at sinking other people's navies, as they clearly demonstrated with the Iranian navy in 1987. I was aboard ship at sea in both amphibs and fleet carriers. The US Navy is impressive.
                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post

                            And the F-18s won't be constrained. BTW, the USN refers to the Gulf as the Arabian Gulf. Pisses off the Persians.
                            As they should be.
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post

                              As they should be.
                              It's been know as the Arabian Gulf since the 60s. The Persians are the only ones up set with the naming. Nothing to start beating the chest about, especially by civilians.
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