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    A court in Qatar has convicted a Dutch woman of having sex outside marriage after she told police she was raped.
    The 22-year-old was handed a suspended sentence and fined $824 (£580). She will also be deported.
    Her lawyer said her drink had been spiked at a Doha hotel in March and she had woken up in a stranger's flat, where she realised she had been raped.
    Her alleged attacker, who said the sex was consensual, was sentenced to 100 lashes for having sex outside marriage.
    He will be given a further 40 lashes for consuming alcohol.
    The woman has been detained since making the allegation three months ago, but her case only came to light over the weekend when her family decided to go public.
    'Horror'

    The Dutch ambassador to Qatar, Yvette Burghgraef-van Eechoud, said after Monday's court hearing that she expected the woman to leave Qatar within days.
    "We will do everything to get her out of the country as soon as possible to where she wants to go," she told AFP news agency.
    Court officials said she would be deported once the fine was paid.
    The woman was arrested by Qatari police immediately after reporting that she had been raped on the night of 15 March, as was the alleged assailant.
    During a holiday in the emirate, she went out with a friend for drinks at a hotel where the sale of alcohol was permitted, according to her lawyer Brian Lokollo.
    "She went dancing but when she returned to the table after the first sip of her drink, she realised someone had added something to her glass," he said.
    The woman did not feel very well and she later woke alone in an unfamiliar flat and "realised to her great horror that she had been raped", Mr Lokollo added.
    Doha-based lawyer Najeeb al-Nuaimi, Qatar's former justice minister, told the Qatar-based broadcaster Al Jazeera the woman's lawyers would have had to prove there had been "no voluntary actions" between her and the man for him to be charged with rape.
    Even if they had been seen walking together, the authorities might have doubts any sexual activity was non-consensual and instead prosecute both for having sex outside marriage, which is known as "zina" under Islamic law, Mr Nuaimi said.
    Article 281 of Qatar's penal code states: "Whoever copulates with a female over 16 without compulsion, duress or ruse shall be punished with imprisonment for a term up to seven years. The same penalty shall also be imposed on the female for her consent."
    According to media reports, dozens of people convicted of zina have been given flogging sentences since 2004, including at least 45 between 2009 and 2011.
    The case of the Dutch woman raises further questions about how the Qatari authorities will deal with the thousands of Western tourists expected to travel to the country for the 2022 Fifa World Cup, many of whom may be unfamiliar with its laws.
    In 2013, a Norwegian woman in the United Arab Emirates was given a 16-month prison sentence for perjury, extramarital sex and drinking alcohol after she told police she had been raped. She was later pardoned and allowed to return to Norway.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36516006

    Boy if I was a tourist that'd be one of the last places I'd want to go to...
    Credo quia absurdum.


    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

  • #2
    Such is the muslim outlook.

    The moral of this story is to stay out of muslim states.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
      Such is the muslim outlook.

      The moral of this story is to stay out of muslim states.
      If you are a woman or drink alcohol or are gay at any rate. The Dutch woman was guilty of two out of three so not surprising that she was jailed.
      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • #4
        No, the moral is when in Rome do as the Romans. She wasn't in Kansas after all.
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          Such is the muslim outlook.
          Nope it is the damn stupid Qatari outlook. I used to live there for a short while. Remember how people used to tell Irish and Polish jokes - well in the Gulf it was Qatari jokes. I could tell stories of legal stupidities - nothing seems to have changed.
          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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          • #6
            One has to wonder what the hell was she doing there?
            My worst jump story:
            My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
            As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
            No lie.

            ~
            "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
            -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MarkV View Post
              Nope it is the damn stupid Qatari outlook. I used to live there for a short while. Remember how people used to tell Irish and Polish jokes - well in the Gulf it was Qatari jokes. I could tell stories of legal stupidities - nothing seems to have changed.
              So no other ME state will punish a woman for having sex out of wedlock, or adultery?
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                So no other ME state will punish a woman for having sex out of wedlock, or adultery?
                No don't put words in my mouth but they probably wouldn't have come up with so daft a verdict
                and BTW its a bit rich coming from someone in a country with five different ages of consent depending on where you are. Motes and Beams
                Last edited by MarkV; 13 Jun 16, 14:19.
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                  No don't put words in my mouth but they probably wouldn't have come up with so daft a verdict
                  and BTW its a bit rich coming from someone in a country with five different ages of consent depending on where you are. Motes and Beams
                  Not at all. Its just your habitual loyalty to islam over all others.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #10
                    Of course I wasn't there when it happened,
                    and I must say Qatar is a bit of a strange place to go holidaying,
                    but as a Dutchman in the Middle East two things come to mind:

                    1. She reacted the way she would have reacted in Holland if she were sexually assaulted and went to the police. Likely she was convinced to find the police and the law at her, the victim's, side.
                    In Qatar things these issues are perceived very different and we could read what happened to her after, treated like she was the criminal.
                    IMO best thing for her to do was to leave Qatar immediately, without a word of what happened, but that of course would feel so unjust.


                    2. If her family had not gone public things might have panned out a lot worse for her. I wonder why Dutch diplomatic influence behind the scenes (if any) was so ineffective. It is as if they were hardly involved in her case during the three months detention.
                    BoRG

                    You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in You - Leon Trotski, June 1919.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Not at all. Its just your habitual loyalty to islam over all others.
                      No its your idee fix (a nice way of saying congenital stupidity). I am not Muslim (CoI actually) and I think some of its creed is down right daft and needs reformation) but I do object to bigotry (possibly the result of seeing what moral idiots have done in Ireland).
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • #12
                        Gents, as Generals of the Forums you know perfectly well that according to
                        ACG Rules one should discuss the thread not one another.

                        ACG Staff
                        BoRG

                        You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in You - Leon Trotski, June 1919.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Major Sennef View Post
                          2. If her family had not gone public things might have panned out a lot worse for her. I wonder why Dutch diplomatic influence behind the scenes (if any) was so ineffective. It is as if they were hardly involved in her case during the three months detention.
                          Follow the money. See how much business the Netherlands does in Qatar. Coincidence?

                          I hope she does drink on vacation again!

                          Pruitt
                          Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                          Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                            Follow the money. See how much business the Netherlands does in Qatar. Coincidence?
                            I was thinking of that.
                            In case there are sensitive issues between the two countries, such as big projects, it might be preferable to solve a case such as this one discreetly, lest the deal goes awry,
                            but it might also have been negligence or oversight.
                            Normally when a foreigner is detained under such circumstances, the diplomatic representatives in the country are notified which are supposed to come to the rescue with consular assistence.
                            BoRG

                            You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in You - Leon Trotski, June 1919.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                              No, the moral is when in Rome do as the Romans. She wasn't in Kansas after all.
                              But who in their right mind would want to vacation in Kansas?

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