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  • That is rich! Russia complaining about Turkey!

    Russia is claiming that Turkey may be building up its forces along the Turkish Syrian border, which I find most humorous, just how many time in the past 300 years has Russia built up its forces along its border?

    "Russia on Thursday accused Turkey of actively preparing to invade Syria, saying it had spotted troops and military equipment on the border with the war-torn country.

    “We have serious grounds to suspect Turkey is in intensive preparations for an armed invasion of the territory of a sovereign state - the Syrian Arab Republic,” the defense ministry said in a statement.

    Ties between Moscow, which supports the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and Ankara, which is a staunch backer of the opposition, have been in tatters since Turkey shot down a Russian bomber on the Syrian border in November.

    Moscow’s claims came as Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, speaking at an international aid conference for Syria in London, implicitly accused Russia of “war crimes” in the country."


    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...ade-Syria.html
    Last edited by Salinator; 04 Feb 16, 20:40.
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  • #2
    If Turkey is indeed preparing to enter Syria, is that not cause for alarm? (Like what they did in Iraq)
    "We have no white flag."

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    • #3
      I am not to sure whether turkey can economically afford a major war anytime soon, or even a small operation.

      The OECD report on turkey says

      Large external funding needs and volatile international capital market conditions warrant cautious macroeconomic policies
      Turkey can't afford it.

      I would suggest they are massing troops on their own border to seal it, avoiding a repeat of Syria's Extremists moving into Turkey and setting up camp there, just as they did for Syria.

      Its a smart move, and it probably indicates they know something about the true condition of the Islamic state as a whole that we don't. the ISIS bubble may be about to burst entirely. If so, the best move for turkey at that point is to seal their border, which they seem to be doing.

      Who know? They may have substantial financial backing under the table from another source. Its the only way they could afford a major intervention offensive, with God knows what economic effects on an already weak economy.

      Thats the sort of move that brings down governments as well. so, primary guess...NO, they are simply making sure that Radical Islam doesn't set up shop in their territory, as was the case in syria.
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      • #4
        Keep in mind that Russia and Turkey have hundreds of years of hostility and skirmishing behind them.

        But Putin seems to be looking to renew old enemies and make new ones.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          But Putin seems to be looking to renew old enemies and make new ones.
          ...and? It's not like anyone else is shunning from the possibility of rekindling the cold war and other hostilities. I can't say I've seen any US member here calling for calmer heads to prevail. No matter if it's Russia, Iran or any other enemy.Responses in any situation tend to range from full scale nuclear attack to at the very least a violent retaliation to any provocation.
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          • #6
            if Turkey builds up its forces INSIDE its own borders what does Russia have to fear? Just don't try to invade Turkey.
            Funny isn't it, Russia built its forces along the Ukraine border and thumbed its nose to the world.
            For the past few years Russian subs and aircraft have been operating dangerous games of probing every nations air space and shore line, now they seem upset that Turkey is building its forces inside thier own nation.
            i guess they are more into the "do as we say, not as we do" mentality.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
              if Turkey builds up its forces INSIDE its own borders what does Russia have to fear? Just don't try to invade Turkey.
              Do you actually think Russia is thinking about invading Turkey?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Karri View Post
                ...and? It's not like anyone else is shunning from the possibility of rekindling the cold war and other hostilities. I can't say I've seen any US member here calling for calmer heads to prevail. No matter if it's Russia, Iran or any other enemy.Responses in any situation tend to range from full scale nuclear attack to at the very least a violent retaliation to any provocation.
                You don't understand the dynamics.

                The entire point of being a superpower is the ability to bomb or drone strike anywhere we feel like it, whenever we feel like it, to whomever we feel like. Even Bobo gets that part right.

                Putin is putting the cart ahead of the horse: first you become a superpower, then you annoy people just for fun.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  You don't understand the dynamics.
                  The entire point of being a superpower is the ability to bomb or drone strike anywhere we feel like it, whenever we feel like it, to whomever we feel like.
                  Sounds like you'll be voting for Hillary, then...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    You don't understand the dynamics.

                    The entire point of being a superpower is the ability to bomb or drone strike anywhere we feel like it, whenever we feel like it, to whomever we feel like. Even Bobo gets that part right.

                    Putin is putting the cart ahead of the horse: first you become a superpower, then you annoy people just for fun.
                    Now that's just about being smart. And as we all know politicians aren't(that kinda smart anyways). Not just war and saber-rattling, everything.
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                    • #11
                      Turkey can invade Syria but risk war with Russia. War which Turkey cannot afford nor win.
                      Turkey economy is in bad shape now( selling 1300 hotels is not good sign)


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                      • #12
                        Syria war: Refugees from Aleppo mass at Turkey border

                        At least 15,000 Syrian refugees fleeing fighting in northern Aleppo province have gathered at a border crossing with Turkey, UN and Turkish officials said.
                        Those gathering have not been allowed to cross, but Turkey has said it has put measures in place enabling it to feed and shelter the refugees.
                        In the past few days, the Syrian army backed by Russian air power has made advances in Aleppo province.
                        Earlier, Nato accused Russia of "undermining" Syrian peace efforts.
                        Nato's Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Russian strikes were mainly targeting opposition groups, damaging attempts to find a political solution.
                        Peace talks in Geneva were suspended this week amid opposition complaints that negotiations were impossible amid ongoing Syrian army operations on the ground.

                        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35503343

                        This is what the massing at the border is all about. IMO

                        And the Russian claims? Well on this forum we've all seen how paranoid they are...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                          Sounds like you'll be voting for Hillary, then...
                          Well, Dems tend to butch up on foreign policy in order to counter their 'wimp' image. But drones strikes are a popular move with the voters, so I'm confident we'll be killing terrorists for the foreseeable future no matter what party is in the Oval office.
                          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                          • #14
                            Logical step. Maybe it will calm some hot heads in Turkey or at least give Russia the possibility to say "we said that".
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                            • #15
                              Erdogan is an Islamist, he'd probably be 2/3rds over on the Caliphate Curve. Koran says the faithful should just drop everything and head towards Jihad, Allah will provide whats needed.

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