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  • Saudi Cuts Diplomatic Relations With Iran

    Not that big a deal on the face of it. Saudi beheads Shia cleric, Iranians riot at Saudi embassy, Saudi expels Iranian diplomats and break off dimplotaic relations. Iran talks of divine retribution. All words and handbags.

    However, this is a volatile region where nation states may get sucked into war with each other in the not too distant future. These events therefore take on a bit more significance.

    As an aside, nice to see an angry march in the region, without the UK, US or Israel being the target.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35217328
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  • #2
    Yes it is a good thing that there is not already a Saudi-Iranian conflict going on being fought through proxy wars and military deployments.
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    • #3
      The Saudis are weak militarily right now, Yemen is making them bleed profusely.

      I wouldn't be surprised if there's a proper war between them soon.

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      • #4
        Well, the Saudi Diplomatic staff was run out of town by rioting "students" or some such thing.... hmmm, deja-vu?
        Telling the Iranians to hit the road seems inevitable.

        But, a mass-execution of dozens at the same time, what were those idiots thinking?
        I ain't taking sides on this thing, but I do plan to stock up on popcorn.

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        • #5
          Saudi's are drawing the line, the next arms race has begun. By allowing Iran to develop nuclear power this was inevitable.
          Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
            Well, the Saudi Diplomatic staff was run out of town by rioting "students" or some such thing.... hmmm, deja-vu?
            Telling the Iranians to hit the road seems inevitable.

            But, a mass-execution of dozens at the same time, what were those idiots thinking?
            I ain't taking sides on this thing, but I do plan to stock up on popcorn.
            Maybe you aren't, but Washington is.......
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
              Saudi's are drawing the line, the next arms race has begun. By allowing Iran to develop nuclear power this was inevitable.
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              • #8
                Preferential lines are drawn,

                It is the next step in middle eastern war.

                Are we are going to see a Pans Sunni Alliance against Iran ?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vikram72 View Post
                  Preferential lines are drawn,

                  It is the next step in middle eastern war.

                  Are we are going to see a Pans Sunni Alliance against Iran ?
                  More worrying would Russia back Iran when push came to shove?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                    More worrying would Russia back Iran when push came to shove?
                    The rule of diminished returns may kick in at some point in the relationship between Russia and Iran.
                    Iran could be mire trouble than it's worth for Putin.
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                    • #11
                      Agree. I've always seen Iran as a vessel for Russia to antagonize the US more than anything else. Syria is much closer to a true ally of Russia than Iran is look how little Russia has really done when faced with the collapse of the Syrian state. I highly doubt Russia would seriously commit to defending Iran.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                        More worrying would Russia back Iran when push came to shove?
                        Russia's force projection capability ensures that even if Putin was stupid enough to try it (he's not), Russia lacks the ability.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          The rule of diminished returns may kick in at some point in the relationship between Russia and Iran.
                          Iran could be mire trouble than it's worth for Putin.
                          May be a mistype but mire is very appropriate. My worry is would Putin realise this before becoming inextricably committed and sucking other nations in on both sides? Could this cleric be a Franz Ferdinand? Would Putin write a blank cheque for Iran?
                          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                            Agree. I've always seen Iran as a vessel for Russia to antagonize the US more than anything else.
                            Indeed. Iran was never an 'ally' of Russia: for most of the last 20 years, relations between Moscow and Tehran were actually strained (between others because Russians wouldn't let Iranians bring in their oil rigs via the Black Sea and Russian rivers to the Caspian Sea, but also because of massive cost-overruns and construction-time-overruns of the two reactors in Bushehr).

                            Syria is much closer to a true ally of Russia...
                            This is actually based on plenty of wet dreaming by various Russian chauvinists.

                            True enough, there were periods when Soviet and Syrian regimes were relatively close, but all of these were actually very short (for example: 1966-1970; 1973-1976; and 1982-1986) - especially in comparsion to actually massive tensions.

                            ...than Iran is look how little Russia has really done van faced with the collapse of the Syrian state. I highly doubt Russia would seriously commit to defending Iran.
                            Putin didn't actually launch intervention in Syria with specific intention of saving Assad. Rather than this, his aims are such like diverting attention of Russian public from worsening economic situation at home; gaining 'prestige' on international stage etc.

                            Moreover, 'Syrian state' has already collapsed, and the country is more destroyed than Afghanistan was in 1988. So, 'even if': Putin is much too late to prevent any kind of a 'collapse'.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              The rule of diminished returns may kick in at some point in the relationship between Russia and Iran.
                              Iran could be mire trouble than it's worth for Putin.
                              There's a lot for Russia to make rearming the Persians once the money starts flowing back to Iran.

                              This will in turn decrease the cost of equipment for the Russian military.
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