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  • Sudan blames Israel for Khartoum arms factory blast

    Since they are blaming Israel, I've dropped this here in the ME section.

    24 October 2012 Last updated at 12:22 ET

    The Sudanese government says it believes Israel was responsible for explosions at a military factory in the capital Khartoum on Tuesday.

    Culture and Information Minister Ahmed Bilal Osman said four Israeli planes attacked the factory and two people were killed. Israel has not commented.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20050781
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  • #2
    If Sudan has drought, Israel is responsible for it...
    If Sudan has floods, Israel is responsible for it...

    ..just like tourists in Egypt were attacked by trained Israeli sharks and Saudis cought Israeli spy vultures

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    • #3
      Well, no proof means their claims are squat. And "aircraft or missiles overhead" before the explosions means to me that it was probably "aircraft or missiles overhead" after the explosion as the witnesses were seeing debris and warheads shooting out through the air.

      However, if they are supplying arms, as has been shown, then isn't it Israel's "right to react" to stop these arms from harming her citizens?
      The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rebel44 View Post
        If Sudan has drought, Israel is responsible for it...
        If Sudan has floods, Israel is responsible for it...

        ..just like tourists in Egypt were attacked by trained Israeli sharks and Saudis cought Israeli spy vultures
        Did you know Israel makes Arab men beat their wives?

        No, seriously.

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...a-life-changed
        You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace, after having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

        -- Ataturk

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        • #5
          Well that's the thing. Accidents do happen and when they happen at a munitions factory the results can get pretty dramatic. OTOH if Israeli leaders had information that linked this factory to terrorist attacks against their citizens I've no doubt they would order an attack. Both explanations are plausible.
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          • #6
            If any other country declined to deny any involvement in the incident, it would be somewhat incriminating. Also, if such countries had a record of provably false denials, that would be fairly incriminating.

            With Israel, it's different.

            Their long-standing policy of "neither confirm nor deny" regarding all such accusations gives them a substantial cushion, or cloud, of obfuscation and immunity either way.

            Pretty smart policy that.


            Philip
            "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."— Bertrand Russell

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            • #7
              If Israel did it, good for them, aren't they technically at war with Sudan anyway back from 1967 or something?

              If not, it's a Sudanese arms factory, doubt their staff are particularly bright, the new guy must have just pushed the red button.
              A wild liberal appears! Conservative uses logical reasoning and empirical evidence! It's super effective! Wild liberal faints.

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              • #8
                Satellite images suggest airstrike on Sudan site

                Saturday, October 27, 2012

                The images released by the Satellite Sentinel Project to The Associated Press on Saturday showed six 52-foot (16-meter) wide craters near the epicenter of Wednesday’s explosion at the compound.

                Military experts consulted by the project found the craters to be "consistent with large impact craters created by air-delivered munitions, Satellite Sentinel Project spokesman Jonathan Hutson told the AP.
                The target may have been around 40 shipping containers seen at the site in earlier images. The group said the craters center on the area where the containers had been stacked. It did not comment on the allegations of Israeli involvement or who might be behind the strikes.

                From: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/int...on_sudan_site/
                "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."— Bertrand Russell

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                • #9
                  The Satellite Sentinel Project's images of the explosion site are available here:

                  http://satsentinel.org/report/sitrep...ons-khartoum-0

                  Since Khartoum openly states that this was a weapons plant, there aren't many other conclusions to be drawn. Obviously some serious secondary explosions resulted in damage over a larger area than six bombs alone would do. Between the fire and the clean up there isn't much left to look at.
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                  • #10
                    Iran naval task force 'docks in Sudan'

                    Also include some follow up on the alleged bombing.

                    29 October 2012 Last updated at 12:52 ET

                    An Iranian naval task force has docked in Sudan, carrying with it a "message of peace and security to neighbouring countries", Iranian state media report.
                    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20121580
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                    • #11
                      So a factory producing arms suspected to be operated by Iran and destined for Hamas is bombed by an unknown party. Israel is strongly suspected, but nothing is confirmed beyond the evidence that supports the claim that it was an airborne bombing.

                      Well, to be honest I have no problem at the moment strongly suspecting Israel of the attack. But then, it does make sense: after all, Israel is coming on strong on the side of launching a potential strike on Iranian nuclear facilities.

                      So what a better way to put a little pressure on Iran than to blow up one of their factories that are producing rockets for terrorists and leaving no real evidence that they were responsible.

                      We can't prove anything, but everyone seems to know who was responsible. Which could have been the goal from the begining: demonstrating to Iran that Israel can take out threats with impunity and get away with it too.

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                      • #12
                        Here a clear statement about the Sudan-Iran-Connection and all this storys around:

                        The Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman also rejected media rumors that there was a link between Iran and the Sudanese arms factory attacked by the Israeli regime, saying that Tel Aviv usually fabricates such excuses to cover up the crimes it commits.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PhilipLaos View Post
                          If any other country declined to deny any involvement in the incident, it would be somewhat incriminating. Also, if such countries had a record of provably false denials, that would be fairly incriminating.

                          With Israel, it's different.

                          Their long-standing policy of "neither confirm nor deny" regarding all such accusations gives them a substantial cushion, or cloud, of obfuscation and immunity either way.

                          Pretty smart policy that.


                          Philip
                          QFT - never understood why "neither confirm nor deny" went out of fashion,

                          We're always so eager to go hunting with the fanfare up front.

                          It was an arms factory in a part of the world that could do with one less - it got blown up - good
                          Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                          Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TuffGong View Post
                            Here a clear statement about the Sudan-Iran-Connection and all this storys around:
                            Except that Jerusalem hasn't said a word.

                            Since the Iranians don't acknowledge that the Israeli capital was moved many years ago, you have to be equally cautious about reading their other pronouncements.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                              Since the Iranians don't acknowledge that the Israeli capital was moved many years ago, you have to be equally cautious about reading their other pronouncements.
                              Jerusalem was always Israel's capital, it's just the parliament that was moved there when it was safe enough

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