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  • #31
    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    Tibet was never part of India. Only two tiny territories were ceded to BRITAIN when they INVADED Tibet during the Age Of The Warlords after the fall of the Qing. Where did the Dalai Lama take refuge after Tibet was invaded by Nepal? Beijing, not Calcutta, Bombay, Old or New Delhi. Who was it that sent troops that repelled the Nepalese invasion? China, not India.

    While I do not approve or agree with how the CCP treats Tibet, China has strong historical claims to China while India has really none other than India was under the bootstrap of British when they decided to try for a land grab of a Chinese tributary during Chinese turmoil.

    Tibet is not the all innocent peaceful nation with nothing but strict Buddhist people that wouldn't harm a fly as portrayed, no more than the Uigurs of China when so many of them has been captured fighting for AQ and ISIS. Tibet herself tried to invade China on multiple occasions with one Dalai Lama actually having the lack of modesty by declaring himself Emperor Of China before he and his troops were driven back to China. It is surprising that many people do not know that Tibetans have a proud warrior culture.


    Splendid never knew, that, Tibetan were blood thirsty people who surpassed the brutality of Mongols.

    Very fine knowledge that poor Chinese experienced brutality in the hands of Tibetans.

    We must look into Archives of People's Republic of China, and Maoist Communist party,

    We may found that all the neighbors of PRC are inhumane nation's, like Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea and Australia and New Zealand.

    What about Imperialist USA who regularly interfere in Havenly Middle Kingdom. What a crime, what a waste of US tax payers money.

    So it's certain Tibet & Tibetan are not Chinese,

    But are occupied by Chinese in the interest and well being of world.
    ​​​​​​​
    And how shocking; Dalai Lama's turned out to be dangerous Terrorist's worst then poor Osama bin Laden.

    ​​​​​​​We must correct world History.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by vikram72 View Post



      Splendid never knew, that, Tibetan were blood thirsty people who surpassed the brutality of Mongols.
      I never said that the Tibetans were bloodthirsty people who surpassed the the brutality of the Mongols. Or Indians.

      I said that the Tibetans were not always peaceful and actually invaded China on multiple occasions throughout history. Tibetans had a warrior culture and some even served under the Mongols during their conquests of China that took them three generations to finalize.

      Buddhism And War:

      War has been an integral part of Buddhist states from day one.

      Unfortunately, Buddhist views of war have become deeply misunderstood by the modern West. In the West today there is a view of Buddhism that is the product of commercial marketing of Buddhism rather than a historical reality. A key factor in this is the Dalai Lama. We're not judging whether he is a good or bad man. We're saying that the kind of pacifism that he is advocating is the view of the Dalai Lama, not the history of Buddhism or even Buddhism in Tibet.
      Warrior Culture In Tibet:




      Very fine knowledge that poor Chinese experienced brutality in the hands of Tibetans.
      Yes. There are constants attacks of non ethnic-Tibetans in Tibetan China. Below is just only one of them.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120653962238265391:

      LHASA, China -- Nearly two weeks after antigovernment protests exploded in violence here, Lhasa is a city deeply divided.

      On one side of an uneasy ethnic standoff here are the Tibetans whose ancestors built this Himalayan capital. On the other, members of China's Han majority and Muslim Hui, who arrived in growing numbers in recent years. Simmering resentment boiled over on March 14, when crowds of Tibetans attacked Han Chinese and Muslims in unrest that turned deadly.
      We must look into Archives of People's Republic of China, and Maoist Communist party,

      We may found that all the neighbors of PRC are inhumane nation's, like Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea and Australia and New Zealand.

      What about Imperialist USA who regularly interfere in Havenly Middle Kingdom. What a crime, what a waste of US tax payers money.
      That is just pointless deflection. Domestic terrorism within their own autonomous region is clearly not helping the Tibetan cause. I clearly said I did not approve or condone how the CCP treated Tibet or Tibetans, but then again they don't threat their own Han ethnics very well either if they don't go along with whatever the CCP wants. Remember Tiananmen Square?


      So it's certain Tibet & Tibetan are not Chinese
      Not every Chinese has to be Han. There are are 56 distinct ethnicities in China, Sino-Tibetan is one of them.



      But are occupied by Chinese in the interest and well being of world.
      Not occupied. Tibet was NEVER recognized as a sovereign nation. It was recognized as part of China since the Yuan Dynasty. During WWII, Tibet was considered by the Allies as a province of China, and is currently an autonomous region.

      Screenshot 2020-06-29 at 3.21.13 PM.png .

      And how shocking; Dalai Lama's turned out to be dangerous Terrorist's worst then poor Osama bin Laden.
      More tripe. The current Dalai Lama is a pacifist, I've never implied otherwise. But not all of them preceding Dalai Lama's were. In fact Buddhist monks themselves were historically and still are Warrior Monks.





      Again, the Tibetans were not all that passive and want to do no harm as all the romanticizing that Hollywood and the Tibet Libre movement have people think.

      JUSTICE SYSTEM IN TIBET

      The pre-Communist legal system was based on an early code of laws that had been in effect in Tibet for some time. Traditional social controls were based on family and village relations. A variety of methods were used to settle disputes. A matter was not considered ended until all parties agreed. The government generally didn't enter the process unless the crime was murder or treason.

      When the French anthropologist Michael Piessel asked a monk in Mustang what they did about thieves the monk picked up a shriveled human hand and showed him. There thieves sometimes were sometimes sewn into a yak bag and tossed off a cliff after their hands were amputated. The decapitated heads of bandits were displayed on sticks.

      In 1950, two border guards attacked on group of foreigners, killing United States Vice Council Douglas Mackiernam and three others. The guards were given 200 lashes each and were placed in stocks.
      Again, you said that Tibet was taken from India. India does not have any strong claim to Tibet. The only connection is India was under the boot of Britain when British troops invaded Tibet and forced the 13th Dalai Lama to cede that tiny bit of territory to Britain when the Qing had their hands full by unsuccessfully defending Korea from Japan that resulted in the unrest from losing the Mandate of Heaven and having to deal with uprisings that led the the Nationalist Revolution that displaced this final Imperial Dynasty. I would not even be in this conversation if I did not feel that your posts contained unfairly manufactured revisionist history.
      Last edited by Salinator; 30 Jun 20, 19:41.
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      • #33
        https://youtu.be/G0ixMR0XhZ0

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Salinator View Post
          I never said that the Tibetans were bloodthirsty people who surpassed the the brutality of the Mongols. Or Indians.
          .
          It's the Religions that makes people human or otherwise, Nordic people are today peaceful, earlier they were the most violent once, so should Russian or someone else should occupy them and enslave them for safety of world.

          Take Hinduism out of Indian's, and you have blood thirsty Pakistani Jihadist, with whom USA has good experience of fighting in Afghanistan,

          I said that the Tibetans were not always peaceful and actually invaded China on multiple occasions throughout history. Tibetans had a warrior culture and some even served under the Mongols during their conquests of China that took them three generations to finalize.
          It was the Khampa / Kham tribe that always resisted Han Chinese.

          They escorted Dalai Lama to India,

          They were fighting war of Independence, with help from USA.

          Then Ping Pong Diplomacy, took place between, USA and China, Pakistan being the willing broker.

          CIA burned the link, stopped the supplies, forcing many warriors to commit Suicide.

          Ending the story.

          That's why Dalai Lama can't afford to launch Armed Struggle, because there is no power in the World, that will risk Armed Conflict with PRC.

          https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...121250153.html

          Buddhism And War:
          Self defense is allowed to men in Buddhism,

          ​​​​​​Buddhism has codes different for followers and ordained Monks and Nuns.

          Even Buddha is his many teachings elobrated that a good King must do his" Kamma" to defend his subjects.

          There are constants attacks of non ethnic-Tibetans in Tibetan China. Below is just only one of them.

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120653962238265391:
          Rather too late, and without much support from outside world, which is passive watcher.

          People are either afraid of Chinese
          Or
          Simply Sold out to Chinese Charm .


          That is just pointless deflection. Domestic terrorism within their own autonomous region is clearly not helping the Tibetan cause.
          It's individual choice of Tibetans.
          I clearly said I did not approve or condone how the CCP treated Tibet or Tibetans,
          I can understand, it's not your Cup of Tea.

          but then again they don't threat their own Han ethnics very well either if they don't go along with whatever the CCP wants. Remember Tiananmen Square?
          There are two ways to remember Tiananmen Square,

          You are perhaps suggesting that one should be afraid of Chinese.???

          Millions died in Communist camps, but flame of freedom kept burning.

          Russian's revolted and brought freedom to Eastern Europe along with people who broke Berlin Wall.

          Don't worry , The Great Wall of Chinese oppression will come down with great bang"



          Not every Chinese has to be Han. There are are 56 distinct ethnicities in China, Sino-Tibetan is one of them.
          As the 100% of web is controlled by PRC , you will find data in thousands of mirror sites , telling people that actually Tibet was never Independent.

          You have to read Data before 1909.

          Not occupied
          .

          What a wrong Historical statement.

          Tibet was NEVER recognized as a sovereign nation.
          It was and it was formed by An Indian General in 10th centuries BCE.

          ANTIQUITY OF INDO-TIBET CONTACTS
          Generally, we think of India’s contacts with Tibet with effect from
          the advent of Buddhism there. According to the Tibetan tradition,
          however, these contacts go further back in history. Tibetan chronicles1
          and scholars like Bu-ston suggest that the Tibetan race stems from
          the descendants of a military general named Rupati belonging to the
          Kaurava army. According to the Tibetan legend, Rupati fled to Tibet
          after the defeat of the Kauravas at the hands of the Pandavas in the
          epic battle of Mahabharata, and was followed by a large number of his
          followers. T.W.D. Shakabpa in his work ‘Tibet: A Political History’
          states that a large number of learned Tibetans claim their race to
          have descended from Rupati and his followers. The claim is based
          on a letter written by the Indian pundit Sankarapati, (Deje-dakpo in
          Tibetan) about a hundred years after the death of the Buddha. The
          letter described the migration of Rupati’s followers to Tibet2
          .
          1 Deb-snon and Mkhas-pahi-dgah-ston
          2 Tibet: A Political History by Tsepon W.D. Shakabpa,Yale University Press,
          New Haven and London. 1967. p.5
          It was recognized as part of China since the Yuan Dynasty.
          First occupation.

          . ]

          More tripe. The current Dalai Lama is a pacifist, I've never implied otherwise. But not all of them preceding Dalai Lama's were. In fact Buddhist monks themselves were historically and still are Warrior Monks.


          Again, the Tibetans were not all that passive and want to do no harm as all the romanticizing that Hollywood and the Tibet Libre movement have people think.
          So all Monks are deadly Warriors as depicted in Hollywood Movie,

          Wonderful lesson in History.

          And Dalai Lama as China calls a great Terrorist, worse then Osama bin Laden.

          I get your conviction. That Chinese are innocent doves.

          Again, you said that Tibet was taken from India. India does not have any strong claim to Tibet. The only connection is India was under the boot of Britain when British troops invaded Tibet and forced the 13th Dalai Lama to cede that tiny bit of territory to Britain when the Qing had their hands full by unsuccessfully defending Korea from Japan that resulted in the unrest from losing the Mandate of Heaven and having to deal with uprisings that led the the Nationalist Revolution that displaced this final Imperial Dynasty. I would not even be in this conversation if I did not feel that your posts contained unfairly manufactured revisionist history]
          Indians never from military point of view occupied Tibet.

          Because it was an off limit Area like Vatican.

          A Catholic Army can not dream to invade the Holy abode of Vatican.

          You can understand in you have some idea about Religions and places of worship and restricted areas where Monks worship.

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          • #35
            It appears like Indian government may have put restrictions on media as many media outlets in India have resorted to sensationalism and spreading untruths.
            in such an environment getting accurate versions of
            events is difficult.
            Having said that here is a version from from an Indian Col in the know.
            An unarmed Indian patrol led by a Major with 9 other soldiers was sent to ascertain Chinese compliance for an agreed upon withdrawal. When they found a non compliant tent still standing they burnt it. They were surrounded by an armed Chinese party and captured. But before they were captured there was a scuffle and a few chinese fatalities .
            Col Santosh was sent to negotiate the release of this patrol with a party of about 20 men
            When he was about 150 meters from the Chinese he was instructed by the Chinese to proceed alone with just 2 more men
            The col agreed but as soon as he arrived he and his 2 accomplices were clubbed and severely wounded( all 3 later succumbed to their injuries)
            The rest of his team radioed for reinforcements.
            The Indian reinforcements did a bayonet charge and and between 35 and 43 Chinese were bayoneted to death. A few Sikhs used ceremonial swords.
            As this event was unfolding a major landslide occurred causing additional Chinese deaths on top of the 35-43 Bayonet related deaths.
            Indian fatalities due to all causes stand at 20 with a far larger number wounded.
            Indian training and doctrine places a heavy emphasis on bayonet training.
            Last edited by Slim; 03 Jul 20, 08:56.

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            • #36
              Our Prime Minister reached the Ladakh Front.
              visited soldiers, Frontline and met wounded soldiers.

              He has keeping quiet since last two months.

              Since Diplomatic agreement are not being followed by PRC.

              Mr Modi has changed gesture.

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