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  • #16
    I don't think now India and Pakistan can ever work together.

    In south Asia we have no problem like Pakistan with any other neighbours.

    To have peace in Afghanistan you need direct Land routes.

    Either you beg to Iranians or Central Asian Countries + Russians.

    US always been looking for easy answers thats why they pay ransom to Pakistan .

    Otherwise let India take Pak Occupied Kashmir or

    Allow Balochistan to break away from Pakistan .

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    • #17
      I think instead of Pakistan, the US should have allied itself with India. In 1954 Pakistan essentially became allied with American interests by its signing of the Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement. In the same year it joined SEATO to which the US was also a signer. In subsequent years Pakistan has tied itself even closer to some western alliances through the Baghdad Pact which morphed into the Central Treaty Organization (CENTO). In retrospect, the US should have tied itself more closely to India rather than Pakistan.
      I don't think that there will ever be 'peace' in Afghanistan, not until it joins the 21st century at least.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
        I think instead of Pakistan, the US should have allied itself with India. In 1954 Pakistan essentially became allied with American interests by its signing of the Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement. In the same year it joined SEATO to which the US was also a signer. In subsequent years Pakistan has tied itself even closer to some western alliances through the Baghdad Pact which morphed into the Central Treaty Organization (CENTO). In retrospect, the US should have tied itself more closely to India rather than Pakistan.
        I don't think that there will ever be 'peace' in Afghanistan, not until it joins the 21st century at least.
        It was a mixed bag actually.

        US depended totally on British for India policy.
        So they still have difficulty understanding Indian matters.

        We had staunch Socialist minded Communism Sympathizer Prime Minister Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru.

        Though even when we were beaten by Chinese and JFK helped us with emergency supply of Arms and ammunition.

        US Airforce flew dropping supplies .

        but in post 1965 US tilted towards Pakistan because of Ping-Pong Diplomacy.

        Indira Gandhi went to US but was unsuccessful in getting proper response.

        USSR obliged her.

        Had Nehru had done properly and stayed away from Socialist Ideology. We could have achieved many good things .

        We missed the boat on Kashmir by going to UN.

        And Nehru thought that he could make peace with Pakistan.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by vikram72 View Post
          US should bring in UN Peace Keepers as exit policy in Afghanistan

          Instead of talking to Taliban and ISI , US should hand over Peace Keeping Operation to UN.

          As a signatories to UN Pakistan can not stop supply routes to UN forces in Afghanistan.

          Many countries can contribute Forces which will be cheaper than US maintaining its forces.

          Provide Taliban a seat in UN also allow them some territorial gains bordering Pakistan.



          Once they physically control an Area , you can punish them for their misadventures. As ISIS areas melted away in Lavant.

          The more Islamic countries provide Peacekeepers more better.

          As their soldiers will be killed by Pakistan and Taliban the donations will dry up.

          OTHERWISE THERE ARE ONLY TWO ROADS THAT LEADS TO PERPETUAL PEACE IN AFGHANISTAN.

          1) One through Independent Balochistan .

          2) Through Liberated PAKISTAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR. DIRECT LAND ROUTE VIA INDIA TO AFGHANISTAN.


          Regards
          Vikram
          It would be a suicide mission for any peacekeeping troops. Everyone would of take shits at them.
          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Surrey View Post

            It would be a suicide mission for any peacekeeping troops. Everyone would of take shits at them.
            Peacekeepers have been successful from Korea to Africa.

            Why should US act like this ??

            If they can't win.

            why to lay down arm to Pakistan Army.

            Instead let others Including Russian and Iranians fill in the gap.

            A UN mission will ensure US to withdraw with dignity .

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            • #21
              [QUOTE=Jose50;n5139968]My point was that if India and Pakistan ever got together to clean up their own part of the world, (i.e. the whole Indian subcontinent -that is establish control over alQueda, the Taliban, ISIL and all the other a$$holes that are currently making life tough for the locals) the UN, the US and everyone else who are trying to wage the global war on terror could then concentrate on a smaller area and perhaps make some inroads over the jihadists and bring their troops home thus saving lives and treasure, to the betterment of their respective taxpayers.
              I mean, come on...my gr-grandfather and the others of the HEIC army fought both Anglo-Sikh wars and had this place all straightened out back in 1849. What happened?[/QUOTE]

              Something like this, I do believe...



              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • #22
                [QUOTE=marktwain;n5140226]
                Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                My point was that if India and Pakistan ever got together to clean up their own part of the world, (i.e. the whole Indian subcontinent -that is establish control over alQueda, the Taliban, ISIL and all the other a$$holes that are currently making life tough for the locals) the UN, the US and everyone else who are trying to wage the global war on terror could then concentrate on a smaller area and perhaps make some inroads over the jihadists and bring their troops home thus saving lives and treasure, to the betterment of their respective taxpayers.
                I mean, come on...my gr-grandfather and the others of the HEIC army fought both Anglo-Sikh wars and had this place all straightened out back in 1849. What happened?[/QUOTE]

                Something like this, I do believe...


                In fact in 1848 after the disaster a second Anglo Indian army went into Afghanistan and took Kabul and then withdrew successfully. Britain actually had good relations with the country after saving Afghanistan from a Persian invasion via Herat in the 1850s and Afghanistan supported the British during the Great Mutiny. But Afghanistan has never been peaceful for very long
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #23
                  [QUOTE=MarkV;n5140247]
                  Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                  In fact in 1848 after the disaster a second Anglo Indian army went into Afghanistan and took Kabul and then withdrew successfully. Britain actually had good relations with the country after saving Afghanistan from a Persian invasion via Herat in the 1850s and Afghanistan supported the British during the Great Mutiny. But Afghanistan has never been peaceful for very long
                  British were unaware of difficulty they may face During the First Anglo-Afghan War.

                  The First Anglo-Afghan War (also known by the British as the Disaster in Afghanistan)[3]was fought between the British East India Company and the Emirate of Afghanistanfrom 1839 to 1842. Initially, the British successfully intervened in a succession dispute between emir Dost Mohammad(Barakzai) and former emir Shah Shujah(Durrani), whom they installed upon conquering Kabul in August 1839. The main British Indian and Sikh force occupying Kabul along with their camp followers, having endured harsh winters as well, was almost completely annihilated while retreating in January 1842.[1][2] The British then sent an Army of Retribution to Kabul to avenge their defeat, and having demolished parts of the capital and recovered prisoners they left Afghanistan altogether by the end of the year. Dost Mohamed returned from exile in India to resume his rule.
                  It resulted in Afghan Victory.

                  The British leadership of that time was warned about it by experienced Commander's but their advices were unheeded.

                  The Duke of Wellington speaking in the House of Lords condemned the invasion, saying that the real difficulties would only begin after the invasion's success, predicating that Anglo-Indian force would rout the Afghan tribal levy, but then find themselves struggling to hold on given the terrain of the Hindu Kush mountains and Afghanistan had no modern roads, calling the entire operation "stupid" given that Afghanistan was a land of "rocks, sands, deserts, ice and snow".[21]
                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War

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                  • #24
                    Nothing Important happened during 1848 - 1878 though.

                    In Second Anglo - Afghan war Britain had seasoned commanders.

                    They won the War.

                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Afghan_War

                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred...t_Earl_Roberts

                    The Biography of Lord Roberts of Kandhahar is very interesting read.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by vikram72 View Post
                      Nothing Important happened during 1848 - 1878 though.

                      .
                      Afghan seizure of Herat 1868 also clashes on the Russian border
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                        Afghan seizure of Herat 1868 also clashes on the Russian border
                        Not of any big scale. 1848 to 78 .

                        Otherwise fighting / bloodshed / disputes with neighbours / among tribes always goes on in Afghanistan

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                          There is nothing stopping India from introducing a UN Resolution asking for a multi-nation Peace Force to go to Afghanistan. I don't see any countries jumping up and down to send their own army. The countries that usually go (Ireland, Bangladesh, Fiji) don't normally go in where there is a lot of shooting going on.

                          Pruitt
                          Russians and others are thinking about it.

                          .
                          A central Asian country believing in terrorism and extreme beliefs of Islam is spreading tentacles in the neighbourhood. So what do the neighbours do?

                          This experiment in the form of a war exercise will be put to test from Sunday onwards when India, Russia, China, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan join forces to defeat the terrorist state.

                          Russian media quoted Russia Deputy Defense Minister Colonel-General Alexander Fomin as saying: “A hypothetical state emerges in the southwest of Russia. Its leadership shares the extremist ideas of leaders of international terrorist organizations”. Fomin was briefing foreign military attaches on Thursday (September 12, 2019).

                          About 128,000 troops, 20,000 pieces of military equipment, 600 aircraft and 15 ships will be involved in the Tsentr-2019 exercise.

                          This is the first time that India will take part in the Tsentre exercise. Usually Russia conducts this exercise alone but last year China was invited for an edition of this war exercise that saw a total of 3,00,000 troops from both countries participating.
                          https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wo...32511.html/amp

                          This year, invitations for participation have been extended to nine other countries. This year's Exercise TSENTR 2019 will be conducted by the Central Military Commission of Russia. Apart from host Russia, military contingents from China, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan will also take part in this mega event," an official release from PRO Army said.

                          https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...68461499471033

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                          • #28
                            [QUOTE=marktwain;n5140226]
                            Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                            My point was that if India and Pakistan ever got together to clean up their own part of the world, (i.e. the whole Indian subcontinent -that is establish control over alQueda, the Taliban, ISIL and all the other a$$holes that are currently making life tough for the locals) the UN, the US and everyone else who are trying to wage the global war on terror could then concentrate on a smaller area and perhaps make some inroads over the jihadists and bring their troops home thus saving lives and treasure, to the betterment of their respective taxpayers.
                            I mean, come on...my gr-grandfather and the others of the HEIC army fought both Anglo-Sikh wars and had this place all straightened out back in 1849. What happened?[/QUOTE]

                            Something like this, I do believe...


                            That image is purported to be the annihilation of Elphinstone's Kabul regiment in January of 1842 after the retreat. That happened during the first Afghan war. I was referring to the defeat of the Sikhs in the Punjab during the first and second Anglo-Sikh wars (1845-46 and 1848-49 ) when the HEIC under MajGen Sir Hugh Gough finally got it together and defeated the Sikh army under Shere Singh.
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                            • #29
                              [QUOTE=Jose50;n5140280]
                              Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                              That image is purported to be the annihilation of Elphinstone's Kabul regiment in January of 1842 after the retreat. That happened during the first Afghan war. I was referring to the defeat of the Sikhs in the Punjab during the first and second Anglo-Sikh wars (1845-46 and 1848-49 ) when the HEIC under MajGen Sir Hugh Gough finally got it together and defeated the Sikh army under Shere Singh.
                              point well taken
                              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                              • #30
                                Lots of good stuff here, so I'll just add what I can.

                                Pakistani government and armed forces -- especially ISI -- are crawling with Taliban sympathizers and agents. That's why Pervez Musharraf never prosecuted any kind of war against the Taliban for any real length of time: the Taliban had the means to send the Pakistani president little lve notes -- which he heeded.

                                On 25 December 2003, two suicide bombers tried to assassinate Musharraf, but their car bombs failed to kill him; 16 others died instead.[141] Musharraf escaped with only a cracked windshield on his car. Amjad Farooqi was an alleged mastermind behind these attempts, and was killed by Pakistani forces in 2004 after an extensive manhunt.

                                On 6 July 2007, there was another attempted assassination, when an unknown group fired a 7.62 submachine gun at Musharraf's plane as it took off from a runway in Rawalpindi. Security also recovered 2 anti-aircraft guns, from which no shots had been fired.[142] On 17 July 2007, Pakistani police detained 39 people in relation to the attempted assassination of Musharraf.[143] The suspects were detained at an undisclosed location by a joint team of Punjab Police, the Federal Investigation Agency and other Pakistani intelligence agencies.[144]

                                On 8 October 2007, a military helicopter escorting President Musharraf, on his visit to the earthquake-affected areas on its second anniversary, crashed near Muzaffarabad, killing four people, including a brigadier. The Puma helicopter crashed at Majohi near Garhi Dupatta in Azad Kashmir at 11:15 am due to technical fault. Those killed included Brigadier Zahoor Ahmed, Naik Ajmal, Sepoy Rashid and PTV cameraman Muhammad Farooq, while President's Media Advisor Maj Gen (R) Rashid Qureshi sustained injuries. Twelve people were on board the helicopter.

                                Wikipedia
                                Taliban came close to bagging the Pakistani president several times, The only way that it was possible for the Taliban to get that close was for the Taliban to have been aware of the president's movements in advance -- and the only way for the Taliban to have been aware of the president's movements in advance was for the Taliban to have their people close to the president, watching his movements. It was like that old legend of Saladin's personal guard having been infiltrated by Sassanids, so that ultimately Saladin's choices were reduced halting his campaign against the Sassanids, or getting his throat slit by his most trusted bodyguards and retainers.

                                Suffice to say, Pakistani society in general is deeply divided, and painfully compromised. Add to that Muslims' disdain for Hindus as "polytheists," and there's no way that Pakistani and Indian forces can cooperate in rooting out the ISI's baby, the Taliban, not in this generation at any rate.

                                What's the Indian state wherein every third kid is named Vladimir? Is that Nehru's home state?

                                If India's introduces a motion to the UN Security Council calling for a peacekeeping mission to Afghanistan, it will result in no volunteers, and like as not the PRC would veto such a motion so as to keep the Indian armed forces busy dealing with Taliban/ISI sponsored terrorists.

                                Hope that helps to clear things some . . . .
                                I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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