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  • G David Bock
    started a topic Islam - Jihad - GWOT

    Islam - Jihad - GWOT

    Many in the West tend to think of the World's religions as essentially the same, idealogies with dieties attached, differring only in minor details. Those more studied in History, which may be the case of many here, come to realize the differences are greater, hence the reason why "religious differences" have been major causes of conflict throughout history. A people's relgion has much to do with the shape of their culture and civilization and hence their view of the World/Cosmos and their place within such. The Religion of a Culture/Civilzation often becomes the main driver of their goals and dealings with other cultures/civilzations so a proper historical perspective requires an understanding of the substance and nuances of the religion of a culture/civilization in order to gauge who these people are and why they do what they do.

    Many of us in the West used to have only a passing aquaintance with Islam, thinking of it as something similar to Judism or Christianity only with a different name for their Deity and a few quaint customs. After Sept. 11, 2001, some of us began to realize that perhaps we needed to look deeper into the substance of Islam. I know that was my case and the following will reflect some of that investigation of the past few years.

    I'll present a mix of sources and materials from within Islam, for sake of getting it "from the horse's mouth" as one might say, as "pure" information as possible, as well as sources outside of Islam looking in from a Western perspective that hopefully helps bridge the conceptual gaps that exist between these to words, that presents Islamic concepts/dogma/scripture in a manner better grasped by 'the western mindset'.

    For a start, one wishing to know/study Islam might wish to get a copy of the Koran/Qur'an translated into their own language. Muslims claim that one can only know and understand the Qur'an in its original arabic, that something conceptual is lost in the translation. One is left to wonder then why this would be the case of arabic and not other languages - after all, such is the case, most languages have phrases and expressions that often don't translate well into others. Still, since humanity speaks hundreds of languages, we all have to stumble along trying our best to translate back and forth and it's seldom that anything profound or major remains lost "in the translation".

    More to the point, why would a Creator of all things and Knower of all things limit It's universal message to one of hundreds of languages when the message should be something so universal as to transcend all languages?!

    Fortunately, not all Muslims view Islam as such a constrained theology and any major chain bookstore (Barnes&Noble, B.Daltons, etc.) usually has about a half-dozen of more translations of the Koran/Qur'an on it's shelves. A copy I use and recommend is one put out by;
    Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc.
    80-08 51st Avenue
    Elmhurst, N.Y. 11373

    A non-profit religious organization devoted to the dissemination of authentic knowledge of Islam; http://www.koranusa.org/
    The 2003 edition I have is ISBN: 0-940368-18-8

    I've also seen volumns that have Arabic on one page and the translated language on the other for comparrision and one may wish to get such eventually.

    This thread is intended to provide ready reference to websites and articles that can be used as common ground and benchmarks to facility the many dialogues occurring on this board in which there seems to be some confusion and differences about Islam, the subset concept of Jihad, and how this factors into the 'so-called' "Global War On Terror"(GWOT).

  • G David Bock
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    Crosses covered with cloth in Italian
    cemetery to avoid offending Muslims


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  • G David Bock
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    Arab Spring comes later in Sudan and Algeria

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1RQ0B4

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  • G David Bock
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    The New Islamist Lobby

    by Oren Litwin
    American Thinker
    April 8, 2019

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    On April 1st and 2nd, the United States Coalition of Muslim Organizations (USCMO) descended on Congress for its fifth annual National Muslim Advocacy Day. USCMO is a national umbrella group for a veritable Who's Who of Islamist organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim-American Society (MAS), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), and the Muslim-Brotherhood think tank International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT). USCMO describes its mission as facilitating communication and coordination between all these groups, "to create and sustain an urgent, collective sense of direction."

    USCMO is led by Oussama Jammal, a longtime Islamist who raised money for terror financer Sami al-Arian and has close ties with the Islamist party of Turkish ruler Recep Erdogan, and with the government of Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood -- as do many of the other USCMO leaders. USCMO nevertheless presents itself as the spokesman for the entire American Muslim community (most members of which want nothing to do with the Brotherhood). And it is that message, more than any other, that USCMO wants to convey to our elected representatives: that Islamists speak for all Muslims in America.

    During National Muslim Advocacy Day, hundreds of participants from USCMO member organizations across the country converge on Washington DC to visit Congressional offices, predominantly Democrats who are friendly to the new Islamist-Progressive alliance, and lobby for a targeted policy agenda. As its website puts it, the lobbying event "provides American Muslims with an invaluable opportunity to forge lasting relationships with members of Congress and policy makers. Participants will also demonstrate the ability of Muslim delegates to develop good will within Congress for domestic issues that reflect the interests and needs of their community."

    During Jammal's speech at the beginning of USCMO's training session yesterday, he stressed the "unity" displayed by the attendees, who came from organizations with very different (he claimed) ideologies and viewpoints. (Though not too different; no Ahmadiyya or Muslim-feminist groups were there.) "This is what USCMO is all about," Jammal said. "We are about nothing other than our unity, our collective power... It is only when we are together that they will listen to us with respect, with full attention. But they have tried to keep us divided, to make us say 'This is good, this is bad, this is ugly.' And we are not going to allow this kind of division among our community."

    Here, Jammal encapsulates everything dangerous about USCMO's mission. By demanding that all American Muslims present a united front, with Islamists at the head, USCMO and its members seek to create a permissive environment for Islamist extremism. That is why they don't want people identifying the "bad" and "ugly" within the American Muslim community: so they can use mainstream Muslims as ideological human shields.

    But USCMO cannot be underestimated: it has gotten very slick in its methods.
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    https://www.meforum.org/58206/new-is...fdb09-33661481

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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Interesting thread started by a "true believer" ...
    "Allah" in the pre-islamic Arabia

    Dont know what the author actually what to do with that thread. Pagans of Arabia were not atheists and Allah ( god ) was well known to them since Ishmael came there, and even before i would say.

    One of their ancestors was Ya´rub ( from him they got name arab ). He was grandson of prophet Hud a.s.

    Verily We have sent to every nation a messenger (saying), ‘Worship Allah and stay away from false gods’. [Soorah An-Nahl 36]

    Their problem was not monotheism of/in creating:

    9. And if you asked them, “Who created the heavens and the earth?” They would say, “The Mighty, the Knower created them.”

    87. And if you asked them, “Who created them?”, they would say, “God.” Why then do they deviate?





    then monotheism in worshipping and lordship, they had many false gods /idols:

    "Verily, Allaah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases" - An-Nisa (4):48



    Today, people dont have those kind of "gods", idols, but have them in different form:


    40. “You do not worship, besides Him, except names you have named, you and your ancestors, for which God has sent down no authority. Judgment belongs to none but God. He has commanded that you worship none but Him. This is the right religion, but most people do not know.

    “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]



    Pagans had false gods besides Allah and they didnt want to judge by the word of the Lord.

    4: 48. Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives anything less than that to whomever He wills. Whoever associates anything with God has devised a monstrous sin.
    Last edited by Daud; 21 Mar 19, 14:52.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post

    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Its an obvious anti Muslim outlet that let that one out. There is no sex slavery in Islam...that is perhaps from a false hadith..






    just like there is no whisky in Ireland
    He's splitting hairs again. There is "slavery" in Islam, and it can taken any form the slave owner wants.

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Its an obvious anti Muslim outlet that let that one out. There is no sex slavery in Islam...that is perhaps from a false hadith..

    just like there is no whisky in Ireland

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  • G David Bock
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    For reference ...
    It needs to be remembered that the Koran is not structured in chronological order, and the "message" to Muhammad changed over time. Rather "peaceful" content gradually changed to self-defensive and then towards global conquest.

    EXCERPT:
    The Qur'an is not in chronological order, but arranged roughly longest surah (chapter) to the shortest. The following lists the chronological (or revelational) order of the Qur'an;
    ...
    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronolog...f_the_Qur%27an

    Also; Quranic timeline

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quranic_timeline

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  • G David Bock
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    Interesting thread started by a "true believer" ...
    "Allah" in the pre-islamic Arabia


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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Rahaf Case Exposes Some Inconvenient Truths About the Islamic World


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    https://www.meforum.org/57599/rahaf-...eid=062f3a999b
    From that article , and the truth it revealed -

    Throughout this process, many of Canada's Islamic groups and Islamists who keep harping about the Quranic injunction that says, "To save a life is to save all of mankind," were glib and had not said a word in support of Rahaf.

    On Monday a curious news story by CBC investigative journalist Shanifa Nasser caught my eye, posted to the broadcaster's website with the title: "Who benefits from rescuing Rahaf? Questions linger after whirlwind story of Saudi teen's asylum."

    The title itself insinuated something was not kosher about l'affaire Rahaf. If the title implied a questionable process, the text of the story made no attempt at hiding the story's lack of balance.

    The article sought out critics of us Muslims who had worked hard to publicize the crisis Rahaf faced. One of them, academic Amarnath Amarsingham, slandered us by using the slur 'native informants' with the following remark: "Many on the far-right love ex-Muslims, and many ex-Muslims on the far-right often present themselves as so-called native informants presenting to the mainstream the real 'truth' about Muslims."

    I emailed Nasser to ask why she had had not spoken to any of Rahaf's Canadian supporters to bring some semblance of balance and objectivity to her column. I did not receive a response.

    However, Amarsingham did respond to my email questions with a lengthy tirade, which concluded the following remarks: "(H)er case is being used and exploited by people who I consider to be reprehensible."

    And if there was any doubt who he was referring to, Amarasingam concluded in his email to me: "I think you're fundamentally a horrible person."

    This all brings me to a different question: Why are some Canadian Muslims out there, along with their left-wing apologists, upset with the presence of Rahaf Muhammad in Canada?
    Why indeed?

    Looks like I was right about the Far-Left and Militant Islam being joined at the hip, and that the Left no longer has any claim on being "Liberal."

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  • G David Bock
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    Rahaf Case Exposes Some Inconvenient Truths About the Islamic World

    by Tarek Fatah
    The Toronto Sun
    January 16, 2019

    ...
    Saturday morning, the arrivals area of Terminal 3 at Toronto Pearson Airport witnessed a throng of over 100 Canadian and foreign journalists jostling for the right position.

    Most of them had hitherto avoided any substantial coverage of the person who was now being treated as a celebrity — Saudi teenager Rahaf Mohammed, who had fled her country and abandoned Islam to seek freedom in Australia, but fate brought her to Canada.

    As I waited on the sidelines to catch my first glimpse of this awesome 18-year-old, I reminisced about my own experience 50 years ago as an 18-year-old in 1968, when I too had been taken away in handcuffs to spend time in jail for an "indefinite period" after standing up to radical Islamists and the military dictators of Pakistan.

    Except Rahaf faced death and managed to escape the laws of apostasy which calls for beheading of any Muslim leaving Islam.

    And then she appeared. Diminutive, shy and in shorts! Whether intentional or not, Rahaf had fired a shot across the bow of the international Islamist movement that seeks to encase all Muslim women in head-to-toe black shrouds.

    She was not the only courageous woman that frigid January morning. Holding her in affection was Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland, who has stood up to Saudi bullying and human rights violations that no other politician in Canada has had the courage to do.
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    https://www.meforum.org/57599/rahaf-...eid=062f3a999b

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  • G David Bock
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    Florida official may be reprimanded for saying Muslim congresswoman might ‘blow up’ Capitol Hill

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    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. _ An elected official from Hallandale Beach who accused a newly elected Muslim congresswoman of being an anti-Semite who might “blow up Capitol Hill” could face censure from her commission colleagues.

    Commissioner Anabelle Lima-Taub has come under fierce attack in recent days for comments she made on Facebook after Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., was sworn into office.

    Muslim advocacy groups have been demanding an apology from Lima-Taub after the South Florida Sun Sentinel broke the story on Monday.

    Hallandale Beach Commissioner Michele Lazarow, who like Lima-Taub is Jewish, said Wednesday she plans to seek a public reprimand of her colleague for promoting bigotry, fueling hatred and creating a hostile environment for the city’s Muslim community.

    Lima-Taub posted remarks on Facebook on Tuesday saying she had no plans to apologize or resign.

    She could not be immediately reached for comment Wednesday.

    “There is no religious litmus test to hold public office in the United States and any politician who would spout this kind of vile anti-Muslim rhetoric is clearly not fit to govern,” said Scott Simpson, a spokesman for the civil rights group Muslim Advocates.

    Tlaib was sworn in to Congress on Jan. 3, only to hours later vow to help fellow Democrats go after President Donald Trump and “impeach the mother——.”

    Five days later, Lima-Taub signed an online petition seeking to remove Tlaib from office and posted the petition on her personal Facebook page.

    “Proudly signed,” Lima-Taub wrote. “A Hamas-loving anti-Semite has NO place in government! She is a danger and (I) would not put it past her to become a martyr and blow up Capitol Hill.”

    Lazarow’s request for a public censure will come before the commission on Jan. 23.

    “While individual commissioners have spoken out against Commissioner Lima-Taub’s hateful and bigoted remarks, I believe we need to take action as a city,” Lazarow said. “We must send a message to our community that this behavior won’t be tolerated.”
    ...
    The Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) accused Lima-Taub of promoting xenophobic stereotypes.

    “CAIR-Florida strongly condemns the disgraceful racist and Islamophobic statements published by Commissioner Annabelle Lima-Taub,” director Wilfredo Ruiz said. “Her un-American, xenophobic statements establish that she is unfit to hold the commissioner’s seat. She must apologize immediately and follow up with her resignation.”
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    http://www.gopusa.com/?p=63527?omhide=true
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    With Islam including members of nearly every race and ethnic, one has to wonder how being opposed to an ideology/religion is also "racist" ???

    With the ideology of Islam very close and similar to that of the Nazis/NSDAP, how is that "Naziphobic" is OK but "Islamophobic" isn't ???

    Note that neither CAIR-Florida, Muslim Advocates, nor Hallandale Beach Commissioner Michele Lazarow have objected to nor denounced the seditious and treasonous comments of Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich. !!!

    Along with usual hypocrisy and double-standards of radical Leftist Socialists we see another example of First Amendment suppression and Alinsky-like propaganda in play here.

    Meanwhile, regarding the subversive and terrorist Islamist now sworn into Congress;
    Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) calls Donald Trump a gutter expletive during threat to impeach
    Democrat Rashida Tlaib poses with supporter of the terrorist group Hezbollah at swearing in ceremony

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  • G David Bock
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    Jihad: Hasher Jallal Taheb arrested in White House attack plan

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    A Georgia man was arrested Wednesday on suspicion of planning a jihad attack on the White House, other high-profile national targets and at least one Jewish site in the nation’s capital.

    Hasher Jallal Taheb was taken in after a year-long FBI sting operation that grew out of local authorities’ fears that the 21-year-old Muslim living in Cumming had “become radicalized, changed his name and made plans to travel abroad,” according to a criminal complaint filed Wednesday with a federal court in Atlanta.

    “The [Joint Terrorism Task Force] initiated the case after receiving a tip from the community,” B. J. Pak, U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, said in a statement.

    The attack was supposed to come Thursday and, the complaint states, Mr. Taheb was arrested immediately after picking up the planned weapons — “three semi-automatic assault rifles, three explosive devices with remote initiation and one AT-4,” an anti-tank rocket launcher.

    According to the criminal complaint, Mr. Taheb told an FBI informant in October in a meeting in Cumming, about 40 miles north of Atlanta, that he “wished to conduct an attack in the United States against targets such as the White House and the Statue of Liberty.”

    The other targets of the attack plot included the Washington Monument, the Lincoln Memorial and a “specific synagogue” that was not specified in the complaint beyond its being in the Washington metropolitan area.

    According to the document, Mr. Taheb told the informant that “jihad was the best deed in Islam and the peak of Islam,” and “it was not complicated at all to do jihad today.”

    He also purportedly told the informant that he wanted to be a “martyr” and do as much damage as possible.

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    http://www.gopusa.com/?p=63562?omhide=true

    Yeah, we need more of this sort of "religion of peace and love" trash inside our nation/borders.

    As pointed out earlier and repeatedly in this thread, a FUNDAMENTAL Concept of Islam is global Jihad for conversion of all humankind to Islam and an Ideological system where engaging in such assures the highest levels of rewards in the Afterlife/Paradise(Heaven).

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    Bump again for a quick and ready reference ....

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    And of course you can show where in the New Testament we will find an instruction like this from Jesus;

    The Muslims performing the so-called "terrorist" actions refer to what they do as Jihad, and anyone being honest about Islam would acknowledge that there are different forms of Jihad. These Islamists/Jihadists view themselves as fundamentalists of Islam and true followers Muhammad's example and command;

    "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

    From;
    Book 001, Number 0033:
    It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
    http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...t.php#001.0033

    One may find Numbers 0030, 0031, 0032 of related interest as well.
    Bump again for a quick and ready reference...

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