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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Michel Gurfinkiel: Islamists Stand a "Very Good Chance" of Conquering France

    https://www.meforum.org/60539/islami...eid=062f3a999b

    Such stupid articles and theorirs will ignite violence , maybe even genocide ( european famous product) in future and some muslims are stupid enough to believe it too.

    "They ll become majority" (since 16th century Spain)® when they persecuted, killed, forced to convert "moriscos".

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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    There have been three great and many smaller reform movements in Islam.
    The Druze- under caliph Hakim
    the Bahai under the Bab
    The Ahmadiyya
    I admire their common view, that Allah is a force of Love that permeates the world of the believer.
    All of mentioned jumped off the Islam wagon by the concensus of Scholars.

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  • CarpeDiem
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    Drop the personal comments.
    Thank you
    ACG Staff

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  • Snowygerry
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    Gurfinkiel said that "the classic national religion of France, Catholicism," is declining,
    An Islamic France can't be worse than Catholic France, they invaded and tried to conquer our lands for a thousand years, and then some

    He has been a board member of the Conseil Représentatif des Institutions juives de France since 1995.[1]
    Not exactly an objective source, "professional Jews" are always nagging about Islamic "conquests", and vice versa..

    It's just politics.

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  • G David Bock
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    Michel Gurfinkiel: Islamists Stand a "Very Good Chance" of Conquering France

    https://www.meforum.org/60539/islami...eid=062f3a999b

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    I would suggest you go ahead and study it all you want.
    It is a minor sect, very small in comparison to the rest of Islam, and mainstream Islam would consider it not just heresy, but also apostate (and the Jihadis would target it).

    A quick essence from the "about us" page of your link should be adequate "study" for most;
    ...
    The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama‘at (AMJ) is a dynamic, fast growing international revival movement within Islam. Founded in 1889, AMJ spans over 200 countries with membership exceeding tens of millions.

    AMJ is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long-awaited messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmadas (1835-1908) of Qadian. Ahmadas claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesusas of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammadsa. AMJ believes that God sent Ahmadas, like Jesusas, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’sas advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival. He divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings. He also has united the family of religions under the single banner of the true Islam by safeguarding the teachings of Abrahamas, Jesusas, Mosesas, Krishnaas, Buddhaas, Confuciusas, Guru Nanakas, Lao Tzuas and Zoroasteras.

    AMJ is the leading Islamic organization to categorically reject terrorism in any form. Over a century ago, Ahmadas emphatically declared that an aggressive jihad by the sword has no place in Islam. In its place, he taught his followers to wage a bloodless, intellectual jihad of the pen to defend Islam. To this end, Ahmadas penned over 80 books and tens of thousands of letters, delivered hundreds of lectures, and engaged in scores of public debates. His rigorous and rational defenses of Islam unsettled conventional Muslim thinking. As part of its effort to revive Islam, AMJ continues to spread Ahmadas teachings of moderation and restraint in the face of bitter opposition from the Muslim world.

    Similarly, AMJ is the only Islamic organization to endorse a separation of mosque and state. Over a century ago, Ahmadas taught his followers to protect the sanctity of both religion and government by becoming righteous souls as well as loyal citizens. He cautioned against irrational interpretations of Quranic pronouncements and misapplications of Islamic law. He continually voiced his concerns over protecting the rights of God’s creatures. Today, AMJ continues to be an advocate for universal human rights and protections for religious and other minorities. It champions the empowerment and education of women. Its members are among the most law-abiding, educated, and engaged Muslims in the world.

    AMJ is the foremost Islamic organization with a central spiritual leader. Over a century ago, Ahmadas reminded his followers of God’s promise to safeguard the message of Islam through Khilafat (the spiritual institution of successorship to prophethood). AMJ believes that only spiritual successorship can uphold the true values of Islam and unite humanity. Five spiritual leaders have succeeded Ahmadas since his demise in 1908. AMJ’s fifth and current spiritual head, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, resides in the United Kingdom. Under the leadership of its spiritual successors, AMJ has now built over 15,000 Mosques, over 500 schools, and over 30 hospitals. It has translated the Holy Qur’an into over 60 languages. It propagates the true teachings of Islam and the message of peace and tolerance through a twenty-four hour satellite television channel (MTA), the Internet (alislam.org) and print (Islam International Publications). It has been at the forefront of disaster relief in the United States and worldwide through its independent charitable organization, Humanity First.
    ...
    To learn more visit ALISLAM.org - Official website of the Worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
    ...
    https://www.ahmadiyya.ca/public/ahmadiyyat
    There have been three great and many smaller reform movements in Islam.
    The Druze- under caliph Hakim
    the Bahai under the Bab
    The Ahmadiyya
    I admire their common view, that Allah is a force of Love that permeates the world of the believer.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    I would suggest at this point a study of
    https://www.ahmadiyya.ca/
    the Islam ahmadiyya ja'mat considered by many Islamic secs to be heresy
    I would suggest you go ahead and study it all you want.
    It is a minor sect, very small in comparison to the rest of Islam, and mainstream Islam would consider it not just heresy, but also apostate (and the Jihadis would target it).

    A quick essence from the "about us" page of your link should be adequate "study" for most;
    ...
    The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama‘at (AMJ) is a dynamic, fast growing international revival movement within Islam. Founded in 1889, AMJ spans over 200 countries with membership exceeding tens of millions.

    AMJ is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long-awaited messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmadas (1835-1908) of Qadian. Ahmadas claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesusas of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammadsa. AMJ believes that God sent Ahmadas, like Jesusas, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’sas advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival. He divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings. He also has united the family of religions under the single banner of the true Islam by safeguarding the teachings of Abrahamas, Jesusas, Mosesas, Krishnaas, Buddhaas, Confuciusas, Guru Nanakas, Lao Tzuas and Zoroasteras.

    AMJ is the leading Islamic organization to categorically reject terrorism in any form. Over a century ago, Ahmadas emphatically declared that an aggressive jihad by the sword has no place in Islam. In its place, he taught his followers to wage a bloodless, intellectual jihad of the pen to defend Islam. To this end, Ahmadas penned over 80 books and tens of thousands of letters, delivered hundreds of lectures, and engaged in scores of public debates. His rigorous and rational defenses of Islam unsettled conventional Muslim thinking. As part of its effort to revive Islam, AMJ continues to spread Ahmadas teachings of moderation and restraint in the face of bitter opposition from the Muslim world.

    Similarly, AMJ is the only Islamic organization to endorse a separation of mosque and state. Over a century ago, Ahmadas taught his followers to protect the sanctity of both religion and government by becoming righteous souls as well as loyal citizens. He cautioned against irrational interpretations of Quranic pronouncements and misapplications of Islamic law. He continually voiced his concerns over protecting the rights of God’s creatures. Today, AMJ continues to be an advocate for universal human rights and protections for religious and other minorities. It champions the empowerment and education of women. Its members are among the most law-abiding, educated, and engaged Muslims in the world.

    AMJ is the foremost Islamic organization with a central spiritual leader. Over a century ago, Ahmadas reminded his followers of God’s promise to safeguard the message of Islam through Khilafat (the spiritual institution of successorship to prophethood). AMJ believes that only spiritual successorship can uphold the true values of Islam and unite humanity. Five spiritual leaders have succeeded Ahmadas since his demise in 1908. AMJ’s fifth and current spiritual head, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, resides in the United Kingdom. Under the leadership of its spiritual successors, AMJ has now built over 15,000 Mosques, over 500 schools, and over 30 hospitals. It has translated the Holy Qur’an into over 60 languages. It propagates the true teachings of Islam and the message of peace and tolerance through a twenty-four hour satellite television channel (MTA), the Internet (alislam.org) and print (Islam International Publications). It has been at the forefront of disaster relief in the United States and worldwide through its independent charitable organization, Humanity First.
    ...
    To learn more visit ALISLAM.org - Official website of the Worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
    ...
    https://www.ahmadiyya.ca/public/ahmadiyyat

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Jihad - Iv

    http://www.islamworld.net/jihad.html
    ....
    Jihad is a great deed indeed and there is no deed whose reward or blessing is as that of it, and for this reason, it is the best thing that one can volunteer for. All the Muslim religious scholars unanimously agree that Jihad is superior to Hajj and 'Umra (pilgrimage) and also superior to nonobligatory Salat (prayer) and Saum (fasting) as mentioned in the Qur'anand Prophet's Sunna. It is obvious that the benefits of Jihad for us are extensive and comprehensive, it(Jihad) includes all kinds of worship both hidden and open, it also includes (a great) love for Allah (swt) and it shows one's sincerity to Him and it also shows one's trust in Him, and it indicates the handing over of one's soul and property to Him- it (Jihad) shows one's patience, one's devotion to Islam, one's remembrance to Allah (swt) and there are other kinds of good deeds which are present in Jihad and are not present in any other act of worship.
    ....
    "Paradise has one hundred grades, the distance between each of the two grades is like the distance between the heaven and the earth, and these grades Allah (swt) has reserved for the Mudahidin who fight in His Cause" [as mentioned in the two authentic Books (AlBukhari and Muslim)]. [See Sahih AlBukhari, Vol 4, Hadlth No. 48].
    ....
    __________________________________________________ _______________

    This last statement makes it clear, the "Reason" one becomes a Mujahidin, a Holy Warrior, undertaking "Terrorist Actions" for JIHAD (Holy War) is because the higher levels/grades of Heaven are only for them.

    The highest level goes to Muhammad;
    http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=494

    The lowest level(grade) is for the peaceful/moderate Muslim;
    http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=427

    Secular "justifications" for 'terrorism'/Jihad are distractions for the secular focused infidels of the West. The Muslim who chooses the path of Mujahidin does so for religious reasons, the promise of greater and proportionate reward in Paradise, a higher level in Paradise in scale to the deeds achieved in Jihad.
    I would suggest at this point a study of
    https://www.ahmadiyya.ca/
    the Islam ahmadiyya ja'mat considered by many Islamic secs to be heresy

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  • G David Bock
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    Terrorism-Linked CAIR Protests Against Free Speech on Islam at U.S. Army War College — Again!


    by Raymond Ibrahim
    PJ Media
    February 24, 2020

    ...
    The Council on American-Islamic Relations ("CAIR")—also known as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the largest terrorist funding case in U.S. history and a designated "terrorist organization" for nations allied to America—is again vehemently protesting my forthcoming appearance at the U.S. Army War College, urging the latter to "reconsider its decision and disinvite Ibrahim," since my presentation will no doubt be "hypocritical, ahistorical and hateful."

    This, of course, is all déjà vu—a repeat of events from eight months ago. As CAIR itself notes in its new press release, which appeared on February 21, 2020,
    Last summer [June 2019], CAIR and its allies launched an online campaign highlighting Ibrahim's Islamophobic views and their negative impact.

    Led by CAIR-Philadelphia and MPower Change, and supported by Community Responders Network, About Face, and Common Defense, the campaign drew more than 1800 signatures and received widespread support from its interfaith allies.

    The referenced "petition" (see here) was essentially a hysterical screed; it claimed that if I, a supposed "racist" and enabler of "white nationalism"—despite my Egyptian heritage—am given a chance to speak before a supposedly already "racist" U.S. military, I would incite American servicemen to randomly start murdering Muslims both at home and abroad (see near the middle of petition).

    In retrospect, it's interesting to learn now that this CAIR/MPower petition from last summer received a mere 1,800 signatures—despite its insistence that supporters sign it. By contrast, the much more reputable National Association of Scholars, which delivered a petition in my support to the White House, received three times as many signatures (5,349), many from well-respected scholars affiliated with numerous universities.
    ....
    https://www.meforum.org/60472/cair-p...peech-on-islam

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  • G David Bock
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    Lessons from London: You Can't Fix Jihad


    by A.J. Caschetta
    The Hill
    February 26, 2020

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    The latest terrorist attacks in England illustrate the inadequacy of conventional law enforcement and criminology for dealing with ideologically-driven violence. Rehabilitation programs and criminal justice approaches that might work with thieves, muggers or even some murderers have proven spectacular failures when it comes to Islamists. In spite of many attempts, no one has figured out how to rehabilitate jihadis such as Sudesh Amman, the Streatham stabber, or Usman Khan, the London Bridge stabber, or the three London Bridge stabbers before that. With apologies to comedian Ron White, you can't fix jihad.

    To be precise, I'm referring not to what Islamic tradition calls the "greater jihad," meaning the inner, psychological struggle to be a better Muslim, but to the "lesser jihad," meaning the outer, physical struggle against the enemies of Islam, or as Daniel Pipes defines it, "the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims." This is the jihad that Islamist terrorist organizations promote and some even choose for their names (Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Islamic Jihad Union, Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami). Coupled with the desire to die as a martyr, this potent ideology is the driving force behind ISIS, al Qaeda and all their affiliates.

    Unlike other categories of criminals, determined devotees of offensive jihad cannot be dissuaded to end the fight. Rather, that determination can only come from within, as demonstrated by Walid Shoebat, Jesse Morton and other former jihadis testifying about their abandonment of the ideology. In criminological jargon, "pull factors," such as financial incentives, amnesty and employment opportunities, are far less likely to influence jihadis than "push factors," such as disillusionment and loss of faith in an ideology. Shoebat describes the "self-detoxification program" he undertook after trying unsuccessfully to convince his wife of the inherent evil of Judaism. The problem is that no one has figured out how to engineer the right "push factor" to compel a jihadi to begin a "self-detoxification."

    Money doesn't work, as the United Kingdom learned when it made one a millionaire, and he still continued his jihad. In 1992, Jamal al-Harith (born Ronald Fiddler) joined the nascent al Qaeda organization, then based in Sudan, and was captured on the Afghan battlefield in March 2002. Sent to Guantanamo Bay, his British citizenship eventually got him repatriated to the U.K., where he was promptly freed. His lawsuit against the U.S. government was dismissed, but the British government compensated him with 1 million pounds. A regular criminal might have retired on his newfound fortune, but al-Haraith fled to Turkey in 2014 and then to Syria to join ISIS. He called himself Abu Zakariya al-Britani and became a suicide bomber at an Iraqi army base near Mosul in 2017. The last photograph of him, released by ISIS, shows an elated, smiling man sitting behind the wheel of his car-bomb.
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    7045.jpg
    https://www.meforum.org/60477/lesson...eid=062f3a999b

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  • G David Bock
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    Shoshana Bryen on Exploiting Iran's 'Imperial Overreach'

    by Marilyn Stern
    Middle East Forum Radio
    December 18, 2019

    ...
    Middle East Forum Radio host Gregg Roman spoke on December 11 with Shoshana Bryen, senior director of the Jewish Policy Center in Washington, D.C. and editor of inFOCUS Quarterly, about U.S. policy toward Iran.

    Bryen, a staunch proponent of the Trump administration's withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and reimposition of sanctions on Iran, differs from many Iran hawks in her justifications for what the White House calls "maximum pressure" on Tehran. Unlike President Trump himself, she said it's "highly unlikely" that the sanctions will bring about Iran's capitulation to American demands that it abandon its nuclear ambitions and end its intervention in places like Iraq, Syria, and Yemen.

    However, neither is she optimistic that the sanctions will bring down Iran's Islamist regime, at least not directly. "Sanctions are not a mechanism for toppling a government, but rather a means of forcing a government to make choices" as its financial resources shrink, said Bryen, in this case between "between funding revolution abroad and funding their own people."

    The Trump administration, she said, has found the best way to exploit this. It is taking "smart action" by increasing U.S. forces in the Middle East, particularly in the Persian Gulf, while avoiding a military conflict with Iran. Choosing not to respond to a series of violent provocations by Iran over the past is the better part of wisdom, she explained:
    What [Iranian leaders] really would like is to provoke an American attack against them, so they can cry, 'We are the victim.' ... So, they poke and they poke and they poke. ... We don't want to give them the opportunity to say they are the ones who are the victims. We can tolerate this for the moment. We're bigger [and] we're stronger ... An occasional attack, a small drone attack, this is not a shutdown of shipping in the Persian Gulf. We now have 11 carrier groups ready to go. That's more than we've had in years.
    Iran understood that America's goal under the Obama administration was to exit the region, and it expanded without fearing consequences. The Trump administration, on the other hand, has sent the message that "we are willing to defend the larger interests ... [it] has shown that on the big stuff, we are there, or we have the ability to be there."
    ...
    https://www.meforum.org/60131/bryen-...eid=062f3a999b

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  • G David Bock
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    Trump's Balfour Moment

    https://www.meforum.org/59659/trump-...eid=062f3a999b
    Turkey-Backed Jihadists in Syria Kidnap, Murder, and Desecrate

    by Seth Frantzman
    The Jerusalem Post
    October 24, 2019

    https://www.meforum.org/59660/turkey...eid=062f3a999b
    Last edited by G David Bock; 27 Oct 19, 00:29.

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  • G David Bock
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    Jason Greenblatt and the Inconvenient Truth of Palestinian Rejectionism

    by EJ Kimball
    The Daily Wire
    September 20, 2019
    ...

    Mainstream media outlets have derided President Trump's yet-to-be-released Israeli-Palestinian peace plan as a "sideshow divorced from reality" that is "destined to fail," and it's become fashionable to attribute this to the shortcomings of his soon-to-be-departed Middle East special envoy, Jason Greenblatt. But claims that Greenblatt "wasn't the right guy" for the job are dead wrong. Whatever the outcome of the plan, he has arguably done more to advance the cause of peace between Israel and the Palestinians than any American diplomat in recent memory.

    Though coming into government with comparatively little knowledge of, or experience dealing with, the Middle East, Greenblatt keenly understood that the primary source of the festering conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is the unwillingness of Palestinian leaders to accept a Jewish state as a legitimate political entity.

    Hamas and Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders may disagree over tactics and political vision, but they share an absolute rejection of living alongside Israelis as equals, and thus see no need to tone down the viciously anti-Semitic content of their educational curriculum, halt violent anti-Israel incitement on state-run media outlets, or take other steps essential to a good-faith conflict resolution.

    For a quarter century, Greenblatt's predecessors glossed over such harsh realities in their zeal to coax PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat and his successor as Palestinian Authority (PA) president, Mahmoud Abbas, into signing agreements and smiling for the cameras.

    U.S. Secretary of State George Schultz's pandering to Yasser Arafat was widely derided at the time.

    Much of the language used to do the glossing has changed little. In 1988, U.S. Secretary of State George Schultz coached Arafat on the words he needed to utter so that the Reagan administration could say the PLO had "renounced" terrorism. Nearly three decades later, President Obama and his Middle East envoy, George Mitchell, could be found repeating the mantra that Abbas had "long since renounced violence" — never mind that the bloodiest period of Palestinian terrorism was sandwiched between. As rejectionism and incitements to violence running rampant in Palestinian society continually thwarted any movement toward peace, high-level U.S. diplomats continued their incessant glossing.

    From his first days on the job, rather than parroting the false narratives and biased framing that had become staples of ineffective American diplomacy, Greenblatt set out to publicly discredit them.

    This is most striking in his use of terminology. In his frequent public statements, Greenblatt rejected both the term "occupied" to describe disputed territories controlled by Israel and the word "settlements" to describe Jewish towns and villages there. He pointedly abstained from using the term "refugees" to describe the 5.4 million Palestinians registered by UNRWA, on the grounds that "only a very small fraction" of them are true refugees who fled their homes during the 1948 war for Israel's independence.

    So eager was Greenblatt to fundamentally recast the lexicon of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict that he declined even to use the well-worn phrase "two-state solution" in characterizing the ultimate aim of American diplomacy. "You can't take ... a conflict as complex as this and boil it down to those three words," he explained to PBS in July 2019.
    ...
    https://www.meforum.org/59377/jason-...eid=062f3a999b

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