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  • Bwaha
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    Add this to the never ending list of islamic terrorism.

    A suicide bombing at a police headquarters in the Indonesian city of Surabaya on Monday was carried out by a family of five riding on two motorbikes, police say.
    It came after another family carried out bomb attacks on three churches on Sunday. Police blamed an Islamic State-inspired network.
    An eight-year-old daughter survived the latest attack, police say.
    Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority country.
    The archipelago, home to 260 million people, has seen a resurgence of Islamist militancy in recent years but the scale of the attacks in Surabaya has raised fresh concerns about the potency of jihadist networks.
    Video footage of the latest attack on the police headquarters shows two motorbikes approaching a checkpoint just before the blast. Six civilians and four police officers were injured, the authorities say.
    The young girl who survived had been wedged between her mother and father on the motorbike as they carried out the attack. CCTV footage shows her stumbling around after the blast.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44105279

    Islam the religion of peace...

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
    Convert? He's been one for quite some time now.


    Making up other folks views is not the way forward. Im a Catholic. I ask to not imply me as a Muslim again please my friend.
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 12 May 18, 20:10.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Neither Islam nor Christianity can be radical or supremacist. These are religions founded by Muhammad and Jesus(founded the Catholic Church which remains true to the day). But in the past and modern times Christians and Muslims have cited Holy Scripture as evidence to attack innocents. Christians and Muslims of history have done good and bad. The Phineas Priesthood were a group of 4 Christian Americans of the early 1990s whom cited the Bible as reasoning to attack innocent people.




    The Phineas Priesthood was almost let off free during their trail due to a Juror members sympathy to white and Christian supremacy. It took two trails to convict the Phineas Priesthood criminals. That does not mean all white people are evil, nor that all Christian people are evil. Just like that some Muslims support AQ and Muslim supremacy does not mean that all Arabs, or all Muslims are evil.


    One could say to argue against Islam, saying things like Muslims follow a death cult is a similar ideology to the supremacist and bully ideology we see from a ISIL member of the modern times, a SS member of WW2, or a Phineas Priesthood member. Throughout human history , humans of all walks have subscribed to good and bad ways.. But, cant we all just get along to folk like Hida and Bock, why be against Islam. We are all Americans the three of us and the US Constitution protects religious freedom.

    To be against Islam because of 9/11 is similar to being against Christianity because of the Klan or Phineas Priesthood.
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 12 May 18, 20:42.

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    You should convert to islam my friend
    If you dont then you are a closet islamophobic
    Convert? He's been one for quite some time now.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    as the big 3 allies of WW2.
    The Liberals, the Communists, and ....who was the third ?

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Anyone today whom views Islam as evil is the same as the millions of European Christians whom supported Hitler. Numerous Priests and Nuns played a role in the Holocaust. Thankfully most so called westerners of today stand by the ideals of the great men and women of European history such as the big 3 allies of WW2. Many Priests and Nuns stood for the allied cause. Its the same today with Muslims, just that ISIL is a drop in the ocean compared to the powerhouse the European Christian majority Third Reich was.

    Throughout history many Muslims and Catholics stood for equality among man. Jihad and Crusade are good things and are rightfully praised to this day. All sorts of film and literature show Muslim and Christian Holy war in what they were, a positive light. Great European Catholic men like Napoleon and Jean Bodin respected Muslim societies.
    You should convert to islam my friend
    If you dont then you are a closet islamophobic

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Anyone today whom views Islam as evil is the same as the millions of European Christians whom supported Hitler. Numerous Priests and Nuns played a role in the Holocaust. Thankfully most so called westerners of today stand by the ideals of the great men and women of European history such as the big 3 allies of WW2. Many Priests and Nuns stood for the allied cause. Its the same today with Muslims, just that ISIL is a drop in the ocean compared to the powerhouse the European Christian majority Third Reich was.

    Throughout history many Muslims and Catholics stood for equality among man. Jihad and Crusade are good things and are rightfully praised to this day. All sorts of film and literature show Muslim and Christian Holy war in what they were, a positive light. Great European Catholic men like Napoleon and Jean Bodin respected Muslim societies.

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    atleast he is honest, in a weird way I respect their honesty
    He most likely thinks that'll help him with his 72 virgins of unspecified gender.

    the much bigger threat are those who decieve the liberals by saying "islam is a religion of peace" and somehow heyday of muslim imperialism was the golden era of human civilization
    Muslim kingdoms and empires were built on the back of slaves and murderous acts of aggression. It was only considered a "golden era" because none of those kingdoms and empires exist today, to the lament of islamist supporters and apologists.

    ISIS tried to revive those lost days, in exactly the same manner as the previous ones were created; they wanted to make a new incredible kingdom/empire, to bring back that "golden age", and they're getting stomped back into the 700s, and rightfully so.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    atleast he is honest, in a weird way I respect their honesty

    the much bigger threat are those who decieve the liberals by saying "islam is a religion of peace" and somehow heyday of muslim imperialism was the golden era of human civilization
    What do you truly feel of Islam? With all my heart and soul I admire Islam, due to the fact that throughout history Muslims have built incredible Empires and Kingdoms. Today Muslims # almost 2 billion.

    Keep in mind, like with Islam, Christianity also has its detractors.

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  • nastle
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    atleast he is honest, in a weird way I respect their honesty

    the much bigger threat are those who decieve the liberals by saying "islam is a religion of peace" and somehow heyday of muslim imperialism was the golden era of human civilization

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  • Hida Akechi
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    And yet...these people are defended by some in the West.

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  • eddie3rar
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    El Shafee Elsheikh, a member of the British ISIS cell known as the “Beatles,” which became notorious for its beheading videos of foreign hostages, gave an interview to journalist Jenan Moussa of Alaan TV from his cell. When pressed by Moussa as to what things he opposed, he responded: “Traffic tickets… such things that have no basis in the law of Allah. ” With regard to the enslavement of Yazidi women, Elsheikh said: “I don’t denounce slavery. … Just because America decided to abolish something… It does not mean that every person has to run behind America and say: This is now an abominable act.”
    https://www.memri.org/tv/british-isi...for-corruption

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  • G David Bock
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    Archiving here a rather different take on "Islam";
    Orgies, Blackmail and anti-Semitism: Inside the Islamic Cult Whose Leader Is Embraced by Israeli Figures

    He has a harem of scantily clad 'kittens,' claims the U.K. 'deep state' brought Hitler to power and is accused of sex slavery. What draws Israeli politicians and rabbis to Turkish cult leader Adnan Oktar?
    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...ures-1.5961420

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Is Israel the Cause of Jihad?

    by Raymond Ibrahim
    Frontpage Magazine
    March 6, 2018

    ...
    The plague of Islamic terrorism is based on "grievances" against Israel—so says Al Azhar, the world's most prestigious Isalmic university that co-hosted Barack Obama's 2009 "A New Beginning" speech. During a recently televised Egyptian interview, Ahmed Al Tayeb—Al Azhar's grand imam, once named the "most influential Muslim in the world"—said:
    ...
    There's certainly much to comment on here. First, Al Azhar has in fact been exposed time and time again teaching the same "anti-infidel" and supremacist doctrines that groups like the Islamic State rely on. After being asked why Al Azhar, which is in the habit of denouncing secular thinkers as un-Islamic, refuses to denounce the Islamic State as un-Islamic, Sheikh Nasr, a scholar of Islamic law and graduate of Al Azhar, said:
    [Al Azhar] can't [condemn the Islamic State as un-Islamic]. The Islamic State is a byproduct of Al Azhar's programs. So can Al Azhar denounce itself as un-Islamic? Al Azhar says there must be a caliphate and that it is an obligation for the Muslim world [to establish it]. Al Azhar teaches the law of apostasy and killing the apostate. Al Azhar is hostile towards religious minorities, and teaches things like [the prohibition on Christians] building churches, etc. Al Azhar upholds the institution of jizya (extracting tribute from religious minorities). Al Azhar teaches stoning people (is an appropriate punishment for violations of Sharia). So can Al Azhar denounce itself as un-Islamic?
    But what of Tayeb's other point, that because Israel "abuses" Palestinians (meaning fellow Muslims), aggrieved Muslims around the world have had no choice but to turn to jihad/terrorism? This, of course, is another rehashing of the "Muslim grievance" myth popularized by al-Qaeda post 9/11. Back in 2009, Bin Laden said:
    ...
    Needless to say, this message was (and continues to be) swallowed hook line and sinker by many Western analysts—even as bin Laden was stressing to fellow Muslims (in Arabic) the "real reason for our conflict":
    Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue — one that demands our total support, with power and determination, with one voice — and it is: Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: [1] either willing submission [conversion]; [2] or payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; [3] or the sword — for it is not right to let [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die [The Al Qaeda Reader, p. 42].
    Of late, more emboldened jihadis have dropped the façade that Zionism lies at the heart of the conflict. In an article unambiguously titled, "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You," the Islamic State confessed that "We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers." As for any and all political "grievances," these are "secondary" reasons for the jihad:
    ...
    From IS's and other Islamists' perspective, then, this threefold choice—conversion, subjugation/jizya, or the sword—is the ultimate source of conflict between Islam and everyone else... Nor is Islamic supremacism confined to modern jihadis—history makes an equally ironclad case. As I document in my forthcoming book, Sword and Scimitar: Fourteen Centuries of War between Islam and the West, Muslims, through countless jihads, invaded and eventually conquered some ¾ of all Christian lands; the scale of destruction and atrocities accompanying these jihads make Islamic State atrocities seem like child's play.
    ...

    http://www.meforum.org/7238/is-israe...e6700-33661481
    Excellent
    the motivation of rape plunder loot predates even islam , if we look at the Ghassanids and Lakamids predecessors of muslim arabs
    Islam was the arab nationalist version of middle eastern monotheism ,

    The only language these people understand is brute force so rather than welcoming refugees like that ***** merkel is doing we should be sinking their boats and that would send a clear message that whites see this as an invasion of Europe and are prepared to defend it

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  • G David Bock
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    Is Israel the Cause of Jihad?

    by Raymond Ibrahim
    Frontpage Magazine
    March 6, 2018

    ...
    The plague of Islamic terrorism is based on "grievances" against Israel—so says Al Azhar, the world's most prestigious Isalmic university that co-hosted Barack Obama's 2009 "A New Beginning" speech. During a recently televised Egyptian interview, Ahmed Al Tayeb—Al Azhar's grand imam, once named the "most influential Muslim in the world"—said:
    ...
    There's certainly much to comment on here. First, Al Azhar has in fact been exposed time and time again teaching the same "anti-infidel" and supremacist doctrines that groups like the Islamic State rely on. After being asked why Al Azhar, which is in the habit of denouncing secular thinkers as un-Islamic, refuses to denounce the Islamic State as un-Islamic, Sheikh Nasr, a scholar of Islamic law and graduate of Al Azhar, said:
    [Al Azhar] can't [condemn the Islamic State as un-Islamic]. The Islamic State is a byproduct of Al Azhar's programs. So can Al Azhar denounce itself as un-Islamic? Al Azhar says there must be a caliphate and that it is an obligation for the Muslim world [to establish it]. Al Azhar teaches the law of apostasy and killing the apostate. Al Azhar is hostile towards religious minorities, and teaches things like [the prohibition on Christians] building churches, etc. Al Azhar upholds the institution of jizya (extracting tribute from religious minorities). Al Azhar teaches stoning people (is an appropriate punishment for violations of Sharia). So can Al Azhar denounce itself as un-Islamic?
    But what of Tayeb's other point, that because Israel "abuses" Palestinians (meaning fellow Muslims), aggrieved Muslims around the world have had no choice but to turn to jihad/terrorism? This, of course, is another rehashing of the "Muslim grievance" myth popularized by al-Qaeda post 9/11. Back in 2009, Bin Laden said:
    ...
    Needless to say, this message was (and continues to be) swallowed hook line and sinker by many Western analysts—even as bin Laden was stressing to fellow Muslims (in Arabic) the "real reason for our conflict":
    Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue — one that demands our total support, with power and determination, with one voice — and it is: Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: [1] either willing submission [conversion]; [2] or payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; [3] or the sword — for it is not right to let [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die [The Al Qaeda Reader, p. 42].
    Of late, more emboldened jihadis have dropped the façade that Zionism lies at the heart of the conflict. In an article unambiguously titled, "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You," the Islamic State confessed that "We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers." As for any and all political "grievances," these are "secondary" reasons for the jihad:
    ...
    From IS's and other Islamists' perspective, then, this threefold choice—conversion, subjugation/jizya, or the sword—is the ultimate source of conflict between Islam and everyone else... Nor is Islamic supremacism confined to modern jihadis—history makes an equally ironclad case. As I document in my forthcoming book, Sword and Scimitar: Fourteen Centuries of War between Islam and the West, Muslims, through countless jihads, invaded and eventually conquered some ¾ of all Christian lands; the scale of destruction and atrocities accompanying these jihads make Islamic State atrocities seem like child's play.
    ...

    http://www.meforum.org/7238/is-israe...e6700-33661481

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