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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    (Archiving to find easier next time ...)

    There is a Catch 22 here in that what was said to Muhammad by Allah can't be changed and the last of the revelations is very anti non-Muslim. The Koran is not arranged in order of revelation, but roughly longest to shortest of the chapters/Surah. Any later revelation that contradicts an earlier one is the one that was to apply, abrogation. Here's a link to the chronological order of the Koran;
    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronologi...f_the_Qur%27an

    Some of the relating passages of the Koran, addressing the mandate of (physical)Jihad(Holy War) and rewards for engaging in such, etc.;

    [2.154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
    [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
    [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
    [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
    [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
    [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
    [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
    [8.38] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
    [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
    [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
    [9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
    [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.
    [33.27] And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
    [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
    [47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
    [47.6] And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them.
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
    Another bump for quicker find.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Another archive ...

    The Muslims performing the so-called "terrorist" actions refer to what they do as Jihad, and anyone being honest about Islam would acknowledge that there are different forms of Jihad. These Islamists/Jihadists view themselves as fundamentalists of Islam and true followers Muhammad's example and command;

    "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

    From;
    Book 001, Number 0033:
    It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
    http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...t.php#001.0033

    One may find Numbers 0030, 0031, 0032 of related interest as well.
    Bump to find easier.

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  • G David Bock
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    Yazidi 'ex-sex slave' trapped both in Iraq and in German exile

    ...
    LALISH (IRAK) (AFP) -
    A young Yazidi woman who fled to Germany but returned home to northern Iraq says she cannot escape her Islamic State group captor who held her as a sex slave for three months.

    Ashwaq Haji, 19, says she ran into the man in a German supermarket in February. Traumatised by the encounter, she returned to Iraq the following month.

    Like many other Yazidis, she was kidnapped by IS when the jihadists seized swathes of Iraq in the summer of 2014.

    In their ancestral region of Sinjar in northwestern Iraq, thousands of Yazidi women were killed or sold off as sex slaves.

    ...
    https://www.france24.com/en/20180817...q-german-exile

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  • Bwaha
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    Man I'd hate to be a brit, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLT9JOE64WQ

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  • G David Bock
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    But "officially" speaking, there are no Muslim occupied "no-go zones"/neighborhoods in Western cities/nations, this part of the Dar el-Haran.
    Obviously the police officer is one special to this part of Sydney and would seem to also be a Muslim. I like how if she continues to stroll the public streets in this part of the city, her presence is provocative and may incite the peaceful Muslims to do something violent,
    Yeah, they are assimilating quite well ...

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  • Bwaha
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    Check this video out. It's Laura stirring the pot in a Australian no-go zone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqY4Z1fTrMc

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  • G David Bock
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    BREAKING: Obama Knowingly Funded Designated Al-Qaeda Affiliate
    ...
    A new report released on Wednesday revealed that the Obama administration knowingly provided an Islamic terrorist-financing organization with hundreds of thousands of dollars despite the fact that the group had been designated as a terrorist-financing organization for a decade by the U.S. government.

    Obama officials approved the release of well over $100,000 even after they were informed that the Khartoum-based Islamic Relief Agency (ISRA) was affiliated with Osama bin Laden and Maktab al-Khidamat (MK), which eventually became al-Qaeda.

    ISRA, also referred to as the Islamic African Relief Agency (IARA), received a $200,000 taxpayer-funded grant from the Obama administration, which released at least $115,000 to the terrorist-financing organization. National Review reports:
    ...
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/33587...aign=position1

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  • G David Bock
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    Pending another place or thread for this;

    'I risked everything to dance in Iran'
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44777677

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  • G David Bock
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    There is a thread in the Europe sub-forum about this issue and Tommy Robinson, protester to islamization of UK and the rape gangs, whom is in prison as part of the decline of moral standards there;
    https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...inson-arrested

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    Just to point out that Islam seems to have won in the UK... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD-BRJdnUsM
    Just the most current results of the centuries-long jihad that the islamists have had against Europe and all non-islamist peoples.

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  • Bwaha
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    Just to point out that Islam seems to have won in the UK... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD-BRJdnUsM

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    Add this to the never ending list of islamic terrorism.

    A suicide bombing at a police headquarters in the Indonesian city of Surabaya on Monday was carried out by a family of five riding on two motorbikes, police say.
    It came after another family carried out bomb attacks on three churches on Sunday. Police blamed an Islamic State-inspired network.
    An eight-year-old daughter survived the latest attack, police say.
    Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority country.
    The archipelago, home to 260 million people, has seen a resurgence of Islamist militancy in recent years but the scale of the attacks in Surabaya has raised fresh concerns about the potency of jihadist networks.
    Video footage of the latest attack on the police headquarters shows two motorbikes approaching a checkpoint just before the blast. Six civilians and four police officers were injured, the authorities say.
    The young girl who survived had been wedged between her mother and father on the motorbike as they carried out the attack. CCTV footage shows her stumbling around after the blast.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44105279

    Islam the religion of peace...
    No matter where, no matter how prosperous the country is, no matter how stable things are, members of that death cult always find a reason and a way to kill and terrorize. Disgusting. As are those that defend islamists.

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  • Bwaha
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    Add this to the never ending list of islamic terrorism.

    A suicide bombing at a police headquarters in the Indonesian city of Surabaya on Monday was carried out by a family of five riding on two motorbikes, police say.
    It came after another family carried out bomb attacks on three churches on Sunday. Police blamed an Islamic State-inspired network.
    An eight-year-old daughter survived the latest attack, police say.
    Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority country.
    The archipelago, home to 260 million people, has seen a resurgence of Islamist militancy in recent years but the scale of the attacks in Surabaya has raised fresh concerns about the potency of jihadist networks.
    Video footage of the latest attack on the police headquarters shows two motorbikes approaching a checkpoint just before the blast. Six civilians and four police officers were injured, the authorities say.
    The young girl who survived had been wedged between her mother and father on the motorbike as they carried out the attack. CCTV footage shows her stumbling around after the blast.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44105279

    Islam the religion of peace...

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
    Convert? He's been one for quite some time now.


    Making up other folks views is not the way forward. Im a Catholic. I ask to not imply me as a Muslim again please my friend.
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 12 May 18, 19:10.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Neither Islam nor Christianity can be radical or supremacist. These are religions founded by Muhammad and Jesus(founded the Catholic Church which remains true to the day). But in the past and modern times Christians and Muslims have cited Holy Scripture as evidence to attack innocents. Christians and Muslims of history have done good and bad. The Phineas Priesthood were a group of 4 Christian Americans of the early 1990s whom cited the Bible as reasoning to attack innocent people.




    The Phineas Priesthood was almost let off free during their trail due to a Juror members sympathy to white and Christian supremacy. It took two trails to convict the Phineas Priesthood criminals. That does not mean all white people are evil, nor that all Christian people are evil. Just like that some Muslims support AQ and Muslim supremacy does not mean that all Arabs, or all Muslims are evil.


    One could say to argue against Islam, saying things like Muslims follow a death cult is a similar ideology to the supremacist and bully ideology we see from a ISIL member of the modern times, a SS member of WW2, or a Phineas Priesthood member. Throughout human history , humans of all walks have subscribed to good and bad ways.. But, cant we all just get along to folk like Hida and Bock, why be against Islam. We are all Americans the three of us and the US Constitution protects religious freedom.

    To be against Islam because of 9/11 is similar to being against Christianity because of the Klan or Phineas Priesthood.
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 12 May 18, 19:42.

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