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  • Interesting thread started by a "true believer" ...
    "Allah" in the pre-islamic Arabia


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    • For reference ...
      It needs to be remembered that the Koran is not structured in chronological order, and the "message" to Muhammad changed over time. Rather "peaceful" content gradually changed to self-defensive and then towards global conquest.

      EXCERPT:
      The Qur'an is not in chronological order, but arranged roughly longest surah (chapter) to the shortest. The following lists the chronological (or revelational) order of the Qur'an;
      ...
      https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronolog...f_the_Qur%27an

      Also; Quranic timeline

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quranic_timeline
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      • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

        Its an obvious anti Muslim outlet that let that one out. There is no sex slavery in Islam...that is perhaps from a false hadith..

        just like there is no whisky in Ireland

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        • Originally posted by nastle View Post

          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

          Its an obvious anti Muslim outlet that let that one out. There is no sex slavery in Islam...that is perhaps from a false hadith..






          just like there is no whisky in Ireland
          He's splitting hairs again. There is "slavery" in Islam, and it can taken any form the slave owner wants.

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          • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            Interesting thread started by a "true believer" ...
            "Allah" in the pre-islamic Arabia

            Dont know what the author actually what to do with that thread. Pagans of Arabia were not atheists and Allah ( god ) was well known to them since Ishmael came there, and even before i would say.

            One of their ancestors was Ya´rub ( from him they got name arab ). He was grandson of prophet Hud a.s.

            Verily We have sent to every nation a messenger (saying), ‘Worship Allah and stay away from false gods’. [Soorah An-Nahl 36]

            Their problem was not monotheism of/in creating:

            9. And if you asked them, “Who created the heavens and the earth?” They would say, “The Mighty, the Knower created them.”

            87. And if you asked them, “Who created them?”, they would say, “God.” Why then do they deviate?





            then monotheism in worshipping and lordship, they had many false gods /idols:

            "Verily, Allaah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases" - An-Nisa (4):48



            Today, people dont have those kind of "gods", idols, but have them in different form:


            40. “You do not worship, besides Him, except names you have named, you and your ancestors, for which God has sent down no authority. Judgment belongs to none but God. He has commanded that you worship none but Him. This is the right religion, but most people do not know.

            “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]



            Pagans had false gods besides Allah and they didnt want to judge by the word of the Lord.

            4: 48. Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives anything less than that to whomever He wills. Whoever associates anything with God has devised a monstrous sin.
            Last edited by Daud; 21 Mar 19, 14:52.

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            • The New Islamist Lobby

              by Oren Litwin
              American Thinker
              April 8, 2019

              ...
              On April 1st and 2nd, the United States Coalition of Muslim Organizations (USCMO) descended on Congress for its fifth annual National Muslim Advocacy Day. USCMO is a national umbrella group for a veritable Who's Who of Islamist organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim-American Society (MAS), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), and the Muslim-Brotherhood think tank International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT). USCMO describes its mission as facilitating communication and coordination between all these groups, "to create and sustain an urgent, collective sense of direction."

              USCMO is led by Oussama Jammal, a longtime Islamist who raised money for terror financer Sami al-Arian and has close ties with the Islamist party of Turkish ruler Recep Erdogan, and with the government of Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood -- as do many of the other USCMO leaders. USCMO nevertheless presents itself as the spokesman for the entire American Muslim community (most members of which want nothing to do with the Brotherhood). And it is that message, more than any other, that USCMO wants to convey to our elected representatives: that Islamists speak for all Muslims in America.

              During National Muslim Advocacy Day, hundreds of participants from USCMO member organizations across the country converge on Washington DC to visit Congressional offices, predominantly Democrats who are friendly to the new Islamist-Progressive alliance, and lobby for a targeted policy agenda. As its website puts it, the lobbying event "provides American Muslims with an invaluable opportunity to forge lasting relationships with members of Congress and policy makers. Participants will also demonstrate the ability of Muslim delegates to develop good will within Congress for domestic issues that reflect the interests and needs of their community."

              During Jammal's speech at the beginning of USCMO's training session yesterday, he stressed the "unity" displayed by the attendees, who came from organizations with very different (he claimed) ideologies and viewpoints. (Though not too different; no Ahmadiyya or Muslim-feminist groups were there.) "This is what USCMO is all about," Jammal said. "We are about nothing other than our unity, our collective power... It is only when we are together that they will listen to us with respect, with full attention. But they have tried to keep us divided, to make us say 'This is good, this is bad, this is ugly.' And we are not going to allow this kind of division among our community."

              Here, Jammal encapsulates everything dangerous about USCMO's mission. By demanding that all American Muslims present a united front, with Islamists at the head, USCMO and its members seek to create a permissive environment for Islamist extremism. That is why they don't want people identifying the "bad" and "ugly" within the American Muslim community: so they can use mainstream Muslims as ideological human shields.

              But USCMO cannot be underestimated: it has gotten very slick in its methods.
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              https://www.meforum.org/58206/new-is...fdb09-33661481
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              • Arab Spring comes later in Sudan and Algeria

                ...
                https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1RQ0B4
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                • Crosses covered with cloth in Italian
                  cemetery to avoid offending Muslims


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                  • ISIS leader in new video for first time in years...

                    Promises 'War of Attrition'...
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                    • Meanwhile Saudi Arabia is moving back towards a darker age ???
                      KINGDOM BEHEADING GAYS
                      RECRUITING MORE EXECUTIONERS
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                      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                        Meanwhile Saudi Arabia is moving back towards a darker age ???
                        KINGDOM BEHEADING GAYS
                        RECRUITING MORE EXECUTIONERS
                        Darker age is everything that not fits into your norms ? They should follow you in every step in order to be "accepted".

                        They re not secular liberals, will never be.


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                        • Originally posted by Daud View Post

                          Darker age is everything that not fits into your norms ? They should follow you in every step in order to be "accepted".

                          They re not secular liberals, will never be.

                          My "norms" are 21st Century and looking forward; regards Islam and Saudi Arabia the "Darker Age" is an effort and focus to return to the 7th Century origins of Islam and it's outdated "norms". This is why Islam, based upon "Satanic Verses", remains a bane and scourge upon the globe and humanity. Islam, especially through the nations whose "secular" governments and institutions have embraced the Koran and Sharia as guiding principles, has become both the largest and main cause of conflict in today's world and the major reason that the Dar-al-Islam is moving backwards towards an outdated and outmoded past rather than forward into a more enlightened, tolerant, and egalitarian Future.

                          So long as Islam and the nations that strongly follow Islam's ideology continue upon the path they are on, there is no reasonable way the rest of the world can accept them. They may not need to be "secular liberals", but remaining 1400 years out of step as oppressive agents of tyranny provides no benefit to their people or the rest of humanity. Just the opposite in fact since Islam and Islamic applied nations remain the enemy of the rest of humanity.
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                          • Hillary Clinton said : (After Orlando ,of course ) :we have to defeat radical Jihadism.Radical Jihadism and radical Islam mean the same thing.(Politico :06/13/2016 )
                            But she is wrong, better she lies :
                            There is no radical Jihadism, because that implies the existence of a moderate Jihadism ,which does not exist .
                            There is no radical Islam, because that implies the existence of a moderate Islam ,which does not exist .

                            We are at war with the Islam and the Muslims . As we can't kill them all, we must learn them a lesson that will prevent them from attacking us again and we must relegate them to the position they had in 1900 .
                            They were no danger for us in 1900, although they were as barbarous as today, thus the fact that they are barbarous is not the reason that they are a danger for us .I don't care that KSA is killing its enemies, Iran (the darling of the Democrats ) does the same and even worse .
                            The hidden reason of the present crisis is the existence of a powerful group of Quislings and traitors in the non Muslim countries : liberals, former communists, billionaires,and the unwillingness of the cowards who are ruling us to do something against it .

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                            • Originally posted by Daud View Post

                              Dont know what the author actually what to do with that thread. Pagans of Arabia were not atheists and Allah ( god ) was well known to them since Ishmael came there, and even before i would say.

                              One of their ancestors was Ya´rub ( from him they got name arab ). He was grandson of prophet Hud a.s.

                              Verily We have sent to every nation a messenger (saying), ‘Worship Allah and stay away from false gods’. [Soorah An-Nahl 36]

                              Their problem was not monotheism of/in creating:

                              9. And if you asked them, “Who created the heavens and the earth?” They would say, “The Mighty, the Knower created them.”

                              87. And if you asked them, “Who created them?”, they would say, “God.” Why then do they deviate?





                              then monotheism in worshipping and lordship, they had many false gods /idols:

                              "Verily, Allaah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases" - An-Nisa (4):48



                              Today, people dont have those kind of "gods", idols, but have them in different form:


                              40. “You do not worship, besides Him, except names you have named, you and your ancestors, for which God has sent down no authority. Judgment belongs to none but God. He has commanded that you worship none but Him. This is the right religion, but most people do not know.

                              “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]



                              Pagans had false gods besides Allah and they didnt want to judge by the word of the Lord.

                              4: 48. Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives anything less than that to whomever He wills. Whoever associates anything with God has devised a monstrous sin.
                              No one cares about what Mohammed claimed that Allah was saying;what he said was on the same level of the nonsense Hitler said in Mein Kampf, which is still a bestseller in the ME .

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                              • Liberalism is the bastard brother of marxism/communism/socialism .

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