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  • Ali, the first man to take up Muhammads message of Islam...said that all men are created equally...he literally said that non Muslims are "your equals in creation".

    It was Ali that was cited by a modern day Iraqi Shia Muslim commander as means of why Muslim Christian and Jew must continue to unite as one hand to fight ISIL.

    For the source of the quote see Page 19 of the following book

    https://www.amazon.com/Crescent-Comp...sap_bc?ie=UTF8
    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

    George S Patton

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    • ^shia and sunni dont even treat each other as equal let alone non muslims

      What you are quoting are isolated instances , why dont you tell us about thr barbary slave trade of whites or the islamic slave markets of khiva which traded white slaves ?
      Or the ottoman ruthless suppression of white revolts in balkans ?

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      • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
        Ali, the first man to take up Muhammads message of Islam...said that all men are created equally...he literally said that non Muslims are "your equals in creation".

        It was Ali that was cited by a modern day Iraqi Shia Muslim commander as means of why Muslim Christian and Jew must continue to unite as one hand to fight ISIL.

        For the source of the quote see Page 19 of the following book

        https://www.amazon.com/Crescent-Comp...sap_bc?ie=UTF8
        The same Ali who took a slave girl to bed while his soldiers didn't have a change of clothes this led to much grumbling prompting Mahomet to show publicly support for Ali and this incident is called ghadir and this shia quote as the reason why Ali must be the successor....
        Last edited by nastle; 16 May 17, 06:06.

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        • Originally posted by nastle View Post
          ^shia and sunni dont even treat each other as equal let alone non muslims

          What you are quoting are isolated instances , why dont you tell us about thr barbary slave trade of whites or the islamic slave markets of khiva which traded white slaves ?
          Or the ottoman ruthless suppression of white revolts in balkans ?
          I showed a video on this board of an Iraqi Shia commander training Iraqi Christians to fight ISIL...the same video saw another Iraqi commander praise Jews Muslims(Shia and Sunni) and Christians and he urged all three to unite as one hand to fight ISIL. The big time travesty here is not celebrating or acknowledging the Muslims that fight ISIL..and its the anti Muslim outlets that only talk about ISIL type Muslims that want to get good people like you to abhore Muslims...

          Why dont you tell us about white people enslaving blacks in the USA? See what I did there.....its an obvious misrepresentation of whites...sure some white folks practiced slavery but then again slavery was once a world wide issue. Do you view the past as a time when everyone was violent and there were no scientific advancements?

          Any comment on the fact that the much praised and loved Napoleon Bonaparte and Thomas Jefferson were interested in and in awe of the great Muslim empires of history?
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

          George S Patton

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          • Originally posted by nastle View Post
            The same Ali who took a slave girl to bed while his soldiers didn't have a change of clothes this led to much grumbling prompting Mahomet to show publicly support for Ali and this incident is called ghadir and this shia quote as the reason why Ali must be the successor....
            Its an obvious anti Muslim outlet that let that one out. There is no sex slavery in Islam...that is perhaps from a false hadith. Dont you support Muslims who say no ISIL is wrong about Islam and Jihad teaches to fight ISIL.

            A post of mine from another board I posted on,

            The fourth Rashidun Caliph Ali is sited by modern day Shia Muslims fighting ISIL as a Muslim leader who viewed non Muslims as equals...t goes even further they say that Christians fought under Ali contrary to the view that non Muslims have always been second class citizens in all Muslim majority lands.. Ali literally said that non Muslims are equals in creation... And its that type of unity that earns Shia Muslims the utter hatred of ISIL..ISIL members can not stand it when Muslims whom fight ISIL cite Quranic evidence as to why non Muslims are equal to Muslims..

            Therefore I have made this Covenant with them on my behalf, as well as on behalf of all tribes of Islam shall prevail, and the doctrine of Christianity shall continue.

            ....

            And the scale of taxation fixed by me for those nobles should be strictly adhered to. No demand should be made from the beyond what was already written down and sanctioned. They should not be molested or oppressed. Their country should not be taken from them. They should not be alienated from their country. The priests should not be converted from Christianity. The monks and hermits should not be disturbed in their solitudes, nor removed from their monasteries. Their preachers should not be prohibited to preach. Their habitations and their hereditary lands should not be devastated. Nobody should remove or to pull down the bells from the steeples of their Churches. This is the law which I have made for them. But, those who shall infringe my Covenant, by disobeying my behests, shall be transgressors of the ordinance of God, and shall suffer severe punishments and eternal penalties.


            Let no crowned head or man of authority of the Muslims or believers compel the Christians to profess the religion of Muslims.

            https://ballandalus.wordpress.com/20...ns-of-armenia/

            Persian Muslim history may interest you. Iranian/Persian Muslims do not have a ban on depictions of Muhammad...in many a way Iranian/Persian Muslims are similar to European Catholics.
            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

            George S Patton

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            • The Muslim Brotherhood Lobbies Congress
              EXCERPT:
              ...
              An innocent-sounding New Jersey-based organization called Egyptian Americans For Freedom And Justice (EAFAJ) made the rounds on Capitol Hill May 4 to urge U.S. lawmakers not to support designation of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.

              The visit, which came hours after the Muslim Brotherhood-linked Hasm terrorist organization claimed responsibly for a deadly attack on a security convoy in Cairo, wasn't the first time radical Islamists have masqueraded as human rights activists when seeking to sway American minds and won't be the last.

              Although EAFAJ makes an effort to talk the talk of democracy and freedom, its unabashed support for armed jihadis wreaking havoc in Egypt is hard to miss. At a November 2016 EAFAJ event, radical imam Mohamed Elbar declared that Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi "ought to be beheaded."

              The EAFAJ delegation included several known New Jersey-based Islamic extremists. EAFAJ chairman Hani ElKadi, for example, helped promote a February 2015 communiqué by the the Popular Resistance Movement (PRM), which has carried out numerous terrorist attacks and police killings in Egypt.

              EAFAJ board member and spokesman Mahmoud El-Sharkawy, who reportedly serves as the group's liaison with Brotherhood members exiled in Turkey, praised the terrorist Revolutionary Punishment Movement (RPM) for executing a police informant in Egypt. Aber Mostafa once posted personal information about a soccer team owner sympathetic to President Sisi with the word "Attaaack!"

              But the belle of the ball was New York-based activist Ayat Oraby, a favorite of the Brotherhood's broadcast media outlets.

              Oraby commonly refers to President Sisi as a murtad – meaning an apostate from Islam subject to punishment by death according to Sunni Islamic jurisprudence – and frequently calls for the terrorist attacks against the Egyptian army, which she calls the "Mi-Israeli army," a derogatory term (playing off the Arabic term for "Egyptian," misri) popular among Islamists. Last April she said that the execution of Egyptian soldiers in Sinai was "funny, comical, and amusing" and condemned the military for "killing Muslims on behalf of the Zionist enemy." Discussing a video of the execution of Egyptian soldiers, she said laughing, "militants were catching them like flies."

              Oraby also frequently celebrates terrorist attacks against Jews in Israel. On her official Facebook page, she mourned the death of Palestinian terrorist Siham Nimr, who was killed last March while trying to stab Israeli police officers.

              Oraby justifies Islamic State (ISIS) terrorism as well, albeit more indirectly, calling it the result of "democracy killing machines" (presumably Egypt's Sisi and other Arab leaders) in an interview on the Brotherhood's Mekameleen TV channel.
              ....
              http://www.meforum.org/6697/the-musl...8bc8a-33661481
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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              • SJ
                You are the world expert on Taqqiyah hats off
                Atleast ISIS can't do that as its a shia thing

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                • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                  Its an obvious anti Muslim outlet that let that one out. There is no sex slavery in Islam....

                  Ho noooo....
                  Do you read the testimonies of the women liberated from daesh ?
                  I believe that it is not written in the Coran , but if you have thousands of muslims using rape and slavery like a weapon , you make a rapid connection between the 2.
                  That rug really tied the room together

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                  • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                    Its an obvious anti Muslim outlet that let that one out. There is no sex slavery in Islam...that is perhaps from a false hadith. .
                    Whom the right hand possesses is taken directly from the Quran. You are either lying or ignorant. Which one is it?

                    Pointless replying to you since you have been repeatedly challenged with specific passages in the past which you ignore.
                    "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                    G.B Shaw

                    "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                    Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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                    • Originally posted by nastle View Post
                      SJ
                      You are the world expert on Taqqiyah hats off
                      Atleast ISIS can't do that as its a shia thing
                      great tactic...simply call your opponent in debate a liar... Well I suppose I should use your tactic and simply call anyone who disagrees with me a liar.

                      Glory to Islam...Praise Jihad.... Jihad= to fight ISIL... Muslims can not lie...to lie is a sin in Islam.
                      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                      George S Patton

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                      • Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                        Whom the right hand possesses is taken directly from the Quran. You are either lying or ignorant. Which one is it?

                        Pointless replying to you since you have been repeatedly challenged with specific passages in the past which you ignore.
                        Wrong on both points.. We are all here providing our opinion.

                        Like I said to nastle....great tactic...simply call your opponent in debate a liar... Well I suppose I should use your tactic and simply call anyone who disagrees with me a liar.
                        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                        George S Patton

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                        • Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                          Ho noooo....
                          Do you read the testimonies of the women liberated from daesh ?
                          I believe that it is not written in the Coran , but if you have thousands of muslims using rape and slavery like a weapon , you make a rapid connection between the 2.


                          The KKK cited the Bible as justification for their actions. Modern day abortion bombers cite the Bible as justification for their actions. Of course Christianity does not support crime similar to how Islam and Judaism do not support crime.

                          I say Jihad means to fight ISIL... the crimes ISIL does to innocent men and women goes against Islam...and this is what the Muslims who fight ISIL say. The Muslims who have had their limbs torn apart, the Muslims who have been tortured by ISIL they deserve our respect and support. And what the hell kind of moron(the anti Muslims which does not include you btw) would agree with ISIL pov on Islam and disagree with the Muslims who fight ISIL.. I mean what a load of total garbage I refuse to allow some anti religious person to force me to dislike religion just as I would not force an Atheist to approve of religions.
                          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                          George S Patton

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                          • Another aspect ...
                            Three Girls: how poor white girls were sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism

                            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/pol...ticulturalism/
                            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                            • Like how some ugly Jews and Christians assume the position of God and say those who are not of my religion can not be saved....so do some ugly Muslims try and tell the world that those whom are not of my religion can be saved.

                              https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Christian...lims_in_Heaven

                              But the ugly people of the world though they try their hardest to institute hatred and intolerance...are combated by the beautiful people of the world who preach love and greatness.


                              the Quran declares that Christians are people of compassion and mercy, that they will be able to enter paradise, and even that they are nearest in love to the (Muslim) believers.

                              http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/...7999-chapter-7

                              the souls of the righteous dead go to a place similar to the Christian heaven

                              http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm


                              Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven

                              http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/fait...y.php?id=51077

                              The Saudis and Israelis whom preach that message of intolerance. Its them vs Jesus and Jesus will prevail.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                              George S Patton

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                              • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                                Wrong on both points.. We are all here providing our opinion.

                                Like I said to nastle....great tactic...simply call your opponent in debate a liar... Well I suppose I should use your tactic and simply call anyone who disagrees with me a liar.
                                Are you denying that the Quran allows sex with slaves or that the Hadith cites times it was allowed? Muhammad was given a slave as a gift, he went on to rape her. If you deny these things then you are a liar or simply ignorant.

                                This conversation has been had with you before and even with the relevant passages quoted you just ignore them. You are a troll of the worst kind, every bit as bad as the bitter and hateful right wing zealots on this site.
                                "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                                G.B Shaw

                                "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                                Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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