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    • Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
      No more pills for you
      But if he doesn't get his Dried frog pills it'll get worse...

      https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Dried_frog_pills
      Credo quia absurdum.


      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      • How many Muslims have to die fighting ISIL for the anti Muslims to realize that Muhammad and Jihad mean to fight ISIL.

        Praise Jesus our Lord and Savior that most people have not been brainwashed by anti Muslim propaganda, which in many ways is similar to anti Jewish propaganda.


        Ill say it again and again...on my side supporting diversity and equality among man are great men like Thomas Jefferson and Napoleon Bonaparte.
        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

        George S Patton

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        • IIRC, you once presented yourself as "John", and before becoming "Stonedwall_Jack" you were a 'Tai-ebb El-Kabong' or such, and likely other a.k.a.s and whatevers ... Point is I don't expect to change your mind or position on some issues, in fact I'd be the last to want to see you banned from this Board because you are such a useful Tool~Fool of the Dark Side on many issues. Please stay and continue to provide me an interesting mix of 'the stale with fresh approach' you do so well ...

          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          How many Muslims have to die fighting ISIL for the anti Muslims to realize that Muhammad and Jihad mean to fight ISIL.
          ISIL did not exist(specific) 1400 years ago when Mohammad was ranting his delussions born of too much time in the meditation cave (post-pederast escastcy endodorph boost).

          Of more intersest is that only the Sunni routed ISIL/ISIS is focus of your concern/outrage yet nothing about any of the other many Islamic Jihadist~Terrorist Organizations.

          Where is your outrage at such other "deformations" of Islam such as Hezzbolah, HAMAS, Al Queda, PLO, Muslim Brootherhood, etc. etc. ...



          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          Praise Jesus our Lord and Savior that most people have not been brainwashed by anti Muslim propaganda, which in many ways is similar to anti Jewish propaganda.
          Praise the "Great Singularity of the Cosmos"; May we all see the factions and agendas in Play upon our Universe. Many are the Propagandas Spun upon the Weave of our Current Times. Islam is the Dogma and Agenda of the Forever War!

          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          Ill say it again and again...on my side supporting diversity and equality among man are great men like Thomas Jefferson and Napoleon Bonaparte.
          Alas, neither supported the vision of "diversity and equality" you espouse, nor did either have as much common ground as you suggest*... Some might suggest these two persons had conflicting views on Human Rights, Liberties, etc.
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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          • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            IIRC, you once presented yourself as "John", and before becoming "Stonedwall_Jack" you were a 'Tai-ebb El-Kabong' or such, and likely other a.k.a.s and whatevers ... Point is I don't expect to change your mind or position on some issues, in fact I'd be the last to want to see you banned from this Board because you are such a useful Tool~Fool of the Dark Side on many issues. Please stay and continue to provide me an interesting mix of 'the stale with fresh approach' you do so well ...



            ISIL did not exist(specific) 1400 years ago when Mohammad was ranting his delussions born of too much time in the meditation cave (post-pederast escastcy endodorph boost).

            Of more intersest is that only the Sunni routed ISIL/ISIS is focus of your concern/outrage yet nothing about any of the other many Islamic Jihadist~Terrorist Organizations.

            Where is your outrage at such other "deformations" of Islam such as Hezzbolah, HAMAS, Al Queda, PLO, Muslim Brootherhood, etc. etc. ...





            Praise the "Great Singularity of the Cosmos"; May we all see the factions and agendas in Play upon our Universe. Many are the Propagandas Spun upon the Weave of our Current Times. Islam is the Dogma and Agenda of the Forever War!



            Alas, neither supported the vision of "diversity and equality" you espouse, nor did either have as much common ground as you suggest*... Some might suggest these two persons had conflicting views on Human Rights, Liberties, etc.
            I think Jefferson and Bonaparte practiced diversity in the bedroom. TJ certainly did.

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            • Dinesh D Souza defends Quran and Muhammad against Robert Spencer

              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
              Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

              George S Patton

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              • Ideas matter. Ideas organize people and justify actions. The idea that motivate and organize ISIS is an interpretation of Islam. Islam is not merely an added on justification to support a specific nationalist or economic goal but it is seen as the primary source for their legitimacy.

                To determine if this is true, all you need to do is listen to them.


                Yes, Islam can be interpreted in a different way just like Christianity and Judaism. Modern mainstream Christianity and Judaism have all taken substantial steps away for a literal interpretation of their sacred texts and a long period of reformation and now decline.

                I would take some issue with many of the claims of "tolerance" shown by Muslim conquerors in lands in which that new Muslims were dramatically out numbered by the nearly acquired population. But either way it doesn't matter. The Amish and Catholics live their lives in very different ways and have very different ways of practicing their faith, but they are nonetheless both Christian.

                Similarly that there are lots of Muslim, even a majority of Muslims, who are quite happy to practice their version of Islam without seeing themselves as called to any violent action with non-believers. But for other Muslims violence is seen an inevitable and for others a duty. They are nonetheless all Muslims.

                I fully accept that in the "war of ideas" politicians should be careful in their public pronouncements and positioning in attacking the terrorists. But on some level this simply intellectually dishonest and or political spin.

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                • As I have discussed before...I was able to have a polite conversation with Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch.com...no name calling, no personal attacks but it was a good conversation. The problem in our world is that a few folks can not handle opposing views, these are folk who get clearly combative when one merely praises Muhammad, praises Jihad no different then praising David/Solomon and mitzvah. Either you have civility or you do not....and as Spencer said at Gettysburg College it is important to hear out what the other side has to say. Therefore itt and really in all settings there should be a zero tolerance policy wrt folks using sarcasm/mockery or personal attacks in response to a Pro or Anti Islamic argument.

                  That said...I have looked into one of Spencers most recent anti Islamic arguments,

                  Spencer cited specific quotations from the Quran — including 4:3, 4:24, and 33:50 — that ostensibly justify actions by Boko Haram and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) to condemn female prisoners of war to sex slavery.

                  http://gettysburgian.com/2017/05/rob...vil-discourse/

                  I got curious so I googled 33:50,

                  Numbers 33:50-56New International Version (NIV)

                  50 On the plains of Moab by the Jordan across from Jericho the Lord said to Moses, 51 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52 drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you. Destroy all their carved images and their cast idols, and demolish all their high places. 53 Take possession of the land and settle in it, for I have given you the land to possess. 54 Distribute the land by lot, according to your clans. To a larger group give a larger inheritance, and to a smaller group a smaller one. Whatever falls to them by lot will be theirs. Distribute it according to your ancestral tribes.


                  That is from the Jewish OT..not from the Quran...

                  Now here is Quran 33:50,

                  O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.


                  https://quran.com/33/50

                  So both quotes appear controversial but one better believe that many Rabbis and Imams say its all about the interpretation and that Judaism and Islam though misunderstood by some....are peaceful religions.
                  Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                  Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                  George S Patton

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                  • We could talk about an other goodMuslim = a good friend of Adolf : the Mufti of Jeruzalem: there is a photo of him inspecting the SS division Handschar ,which consisted of experts in murdering non Muslim women and children . I am sure they learned a lot of Mohammed .

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                    • Muslim majority Bangladesh banned the provocateur Zakir Naik....you wont hear that from the anti Muslim outlets.
                      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                      George S Patton

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                      • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                        We could talk about an other goodMuslim = a good friend of Adolf : the Mufti of Jeruzalem: there is a photo of him inspecting the SS division Handschar ,which consisted of experts in murdering non Muslim women and children . I am sure they learned a lot of Mohammed .
                        The Muslim hoardes who devastated Europe for centuries enslaving men and women , castarating little boys were far more evil than most of the poor deluded souls who joined SS mostly to fight communism.

                        But again Muhammad has little to do with the barbarity of Persian Turks and Arabs, you think if they were not Muslim they would be any less barbaric ? Think of Mongols and Huns , how were they different from ottoman and timur? ...not at all
                        The point of dispute is mostly racial ethnic and not merely religious.Even if Turks Persians And Arabs adopted Buddhism Europe still would be under threat for centuries.
                        Last edited by nastle; 06 May 17, 04:56.

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                        • Mudlim terrorists (= ISIS, AQ,FSA,....) are committing crimes in the name of the Islam . Muslims who fight against Muslim terrorists don't do this in the name of the Islam .

                          example : the Kurds (who are mostly Sunni Muslims ) fight against ISIS (mostly Sunni Muslims ) but do not do this in the name of the Islam .

                          It is the same for the army of Assad .

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                          • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                            Mudlim terrorists (= ISIS, AQ,FSA,....) are committing crimes in the name of the Islam . Muslims who fight against Muslim terrorists don't do this in the name of the Islam .

                            example : the Kurds (who are mostly Sunni Muslims ) fight against ISIS (mostly Sunni Muslims ) but do not do this in the name of the Islam .
                            Because ISIS is the same Arab threat to them as Saddam was
                            Kurds are not always the good guys
                            Salahuddin the murderer of knights leader of jihad was a kurd, in the killing of Christian Armenians, muslim Kurds played an active role
                            Don't think its just Islam that motivates them that's just an added bonus to make their propaganda appeal to a universal crowd, like Muhammad was an Arab nationalist later groups all adopted a version of Islam to suit their nationalistic agenda

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                            • Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
                              Ideas matter. Ideas organize people and justify actions. The idea that motivate and organize ISIS is an interpretation of Islam. Islam is not merely an added on justification to support a specific nationalist or economic goal but it is seen as the primary source for their legitimacy.

                              To determine if this is true, all you need to do is listen to them.


                              Yes, Islam can be interpreted in a different way just like Christianity and Judaism. Modern mainstream Christianity and Judaism have all taken substantial steps away for a literal interpretation of their sacred texts and a long period of reformation and now decline.

                              I would take some issue with many of the claims of "tolerance" shown by Muslim conquerors in lands in which that new Muslims were dramatically out numbered by the nearly acquired population. But either way it doesn't matter. The Amish and Catholics live their lives in very different ways and have very different ways of practicing their faith, but they are nonetheless both Christian.

                              Similarly that there are lots of Muslim, even a majority of Muslims, who are quite happy to practice their version of Islam without seeing themselves as called to any violent action with non-believers. But for other Muslims violence is seen an inevitable and for others a duty. They are nonetheless all Muslims.

                              I fully accept that in the "war of ideas" politicians should be careful in their public pronouncements and positioning in attacking the terrorists. But on some level this simply intellectually dishonest and or political spin.
                              Exactly!

                              As pointed out often on this thread, the Scriptures and Dogma of Islam, as well as the example set by Muhammad in the last years of his life, mandate engaging in Physical Jihad/Holy War as the only way to obtain the higher levels and greater rewards of Islamic Paradise/Heaven. We (the infidels and non-believers of the West/non-Islamic World ~Dar el-Islam) are fortunate that the vast majority of Muslims choose not to follow the violent agenda of full practice proscribed by Islamic Scripture/Dogma. I suspect this results from two factors;

                              1) The Basic non-violent inclination of most Humans. The majority of humankind has a live-and-let-live approach to life whenever such is possible and allows for their survivual.

                              2) The fact that many "Muslims" are such by force/compulsion, rather than choice.

                              They have the misfortune of having been born into Nations/Cultures where Islam is predominate if not the only religious choice and hence they have been compelled to be Muslim from birth rather than by choice. I'd wager many current "Muslims" whould opt out of Islam if they thought they could do so without drastic repercussions - such as the Scripture/Dogma injunction to apply the penalty of death to those whom are apostates~leave the belief in Islam.

                              As for the "minority" of "Muslims" whom engage in violent fulfillment of the Mandate of Islam, there may be a couple/few factors involved;

                              1) Islamic version of Paradise/Heaven is multi-level/Multi-layered and the only way to attain anything other then the lowest level is to be a Holy Warrior/Mujahdeen/Jihadi engaged in Holy War/Physical Jihad against the Infidels/Apostates/non-believers of Islam. The greater the death and destruction one performs, the great the rewards and level attained. Hence Islamic Scripture/Dogma provides Encouragement/Justification/Rewards to the violence we see done by the Jihadis.

                              2) Those, especially young males, whom due to environment, biology/genetics, Soul/Kharma have become pre-disposed to violence can find Religious/Scriptural-Dogma Justification to engage such anytime means and opportunity present themselves to do such. Hence the Scripture/Dogma of Islam is a ready-made formula for violence, masked as "Good" in a Holy Cause, that leads many a Mujahdeen/Jihadi to view themselves as a sort of "Jedi Knight" fighting the "Evil" of the non-believers of the World. A near perfect formula for a "Forever Warfare" of nearly 1400 years duration(so far) to keep Humanity in constant conflict and division.

                              3) The centuries(millenia/ages) old cultural custom of pervasive perversion of pederasty common to Arabic and other South Asian Cultures provides another "politically incorrect" aspect of the issue which we in the West/non-Islamic World must deal with. It is not only FEMALE virgins that are promised as part of the rewards of higher Paradise/Heaven awaitng the Jihadi/Mujahdeen. Islam began as a "Religion" tailored to the Arabic Culture and has spread through-out a part of the World that has similar culture, hence we have generation upon generation of young males whom were abussed in their youth, filled with anger and hate, wanting to be vented somewhere, against someone, and Islam provides the perfect vehicle in targeting the non-Islamic part of the world, hence we of the non-Islamic world are referred to as the World of War, the Dar el-Haram.

                              Bottom-line is we have a strongly embedded condition of Spiritual Evil, cloaking as "good", that was designed/tailored to provide the Polarity Opposite of Spiritual Good within the Cosmos and here on Earth. In "Star Wars" terms we could say that Islam is the Sith/Dark Side of the (Spiritual) Force within the Universe, as manifested upon Earth. This "implantation" appears to be by design, and likely by Entities/Agencies whom "planted" Islam as a mechanism to keep Humanity in constant Conflict(Forever Warfare) upon Earth and reduce the need for "a garrision" upon "Their Property" and prevent Human Unification that would make us better able to advance "to the stars", out into the Greater Galactic Community. I often think that "Star Wars" wasn't "so long ago" nor in a "galaxy far away".
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                              • Originally posted by nastle View Post
                                The Muslim hoardes who devastated Europe for centuries enslaving men and women , castarating little boys were far more evil than most of the poor deluded souls who joined SS mostly to fight communism.

                                But again Muhammad has little to do with the barbarity of Persian Turks and Arabs, you think if they were not Muslim they would be any less barbaric ? Think of Mongols and Huns , how were they different from ottoman and timur? ...not at all
                                The point of dispute is mostly racial ethnic and not merely religious.Even if Turks Persians And Arabs adopted Buddhism Europe still would be under threat for centuries.
                                To each their, in a world with 7.5+ billion people we have diversity,

                                That said glory to Saladin, Muhammad, as well as the greatest glory to the Richard I, Bohemond of Taranto , and Godfrey of Bouillon. These men were among the greatest men of all time. Contrary to the ugliness preached from some religious and non religious people, respected men of history such as Napoleon Bonaparte and Thomas Jefferson respected Islam and were in awe of the empire building abilities of the Arabs. The Arabs once stood atop a mountain....if we go back to the 8th-11th century we will see the most glorious of Arab Empires.

                                Not to mention the Turks. Turks brought the world the Ottoman Empire of which was responsible for some of the great military feats of history....competing like the Arabs did with European powers. And the fact is that scholars throughout the middle ages Muslim and Christian...respected each other even when they were opponents of each other. Just look at what scholars such as Jean Bodin and Baha AL Din had to say about each other.

                                Abraham Lincoln..perhaps the greatest American to have ever graced this fine country of ours....provided an honorable gift to an Arab Muslim gentlemen Abdelkader, who followed in Muhammad's footsteps by protecting Christians.

                                Here is Lincolns gift to Abdelkadir,


                                A portrait of Abdelkadir protecting Christians,


                                On July the ninth, 1860, his life of prayer, study and teaching was shattered. Angered by rebellious Christian minorities who refused to pay their taxes, Turkish authorities instigated reprisals that became a virtual pogrom. The emir used his palatial residence as a sanctuary for the European diplomatic community whose embassies were the first targets of the violence. Then, he and his Algerians plunged into the nearby Christian neighborhood and brought thousands to the safety of his home. Soon, an angry mob at his door demanded he turn over the Christians. Abdelkader refused, saying it was against the teachings of Islam to kill innocents. The crowd melted away in the face of his determination to defend those under his protection.

                                After the riots, Abdelkader was credited with saving 10,000 lives, including those of the American, British, French and Russian consuls. Hailed throughout Europe, Russia and America as a great humanitarian, he received the French Legion of Honor, gifts from Pope Leo IX, President Lincoln, Queen Victoria, and other heads of state. His most valued accolade, however, was a letter from Chechen Emir Shamil, who praised him for his courage to do what his faith required–to protect the innocent.

                                During the last twenty years of his life, the emir became a spiritual bridge between the European and Muslim worlds, epitomized by the role he played garnering Arab support for the Suez Canal project. Defying the skeptics, Abdelkader remained true to his word and never returned to Algeria. Upon his death in 1883, the New York Times hailed him as “ one of the few great men of the century.”

                                History, according to the truism, is written by the victors. Yet, it was the French victors who paid homage to the moral, intellectual and spiritual qualities that made Abdelkader a widely recognized “ great man” of the mid 19th century. Emir Abdelkader inspired respect from Missouri to Moscow. His story is about many things, though ultimately it is about struggle: struggle against French invaders, struggle with Arabs who rejected his leadership, struggle with depression and despair in French prisons, struggle to live as a good Muslim.

                                http://www.abdelkaderproject.org/about-emir-abdelkader/

                                Just a minor note ^ The above link probably meant to say Pope Leo XIII..

                                Yes, Muhammad had Christians fight in the Muslim armies contrary to what the anti religious dividers have to say. Just go and ask Iraqi Muslim commanders who fight ISIL...I showed a video with a Iraqi Shia Commander saying the Jews, Muslims and Christians under Muhammad fought as one untied hand. Its nice when history is on the side of great men and women of today like that Iraqi Shia commander...and there is nothing at all the ISIL type people of the world can do to change the love and unity that respected Muslims, Jews and Christians have had for each other.
                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                                George S Patton

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