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  • Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Lol jihad with Christians against ISIS
    What is the official stance of Muslim scholars on jihad and rebellion ?
    I find that the media outlets have negatively influenced your view on Jihad, based on how both liberal and conservative media outlets are using the word Jihad. Well thanks at least for not being like the brainwashed guys out there who insult other people for having the correct view of Jihad which is that ISIL says they carry out Jihad and all non ISIL Muslims say no what ISIL does is not Jihad. This is simply a well known fact....anti Muslims choose to ignore it and go bang on nonstop about how evil Islam is....no different then how in the 1930s so called scholars were warning us of the "dogma" of the evil Judaism. The anti Muslims of today are in the same camp as anti Jews of the 1930s...anyone of today who dares to speak kindly of Islam is labeled by anti Muslims as a "Jihadist" or "apologist" for terrorists.

    Remember that saying from WW2 ....they came for X, then they came for x, then they came for X. Many of the todays agenda driven Jews, Muslims and Christians who have sold themselves out....are critical of not only what they label as "Radical" Muslims"...but also "Radical Jews" and Radical Christians as if the three religions of Abraham can be "radical"...as if there have never been good and decent Jews, Muslims and Christians of history. Well I, along with millions of fellow medievalists will not let the legacy of the men and women of the middle ages fall into darkness.

    Yes, Crusade and Jihad are honorable. Where do you think great tales such as Robin Hood and Aladdin came from...these were from Muslims and Christians of the middle ages. I have seen liberal and conservative contributors to the various media outlets suggest ISIL is the same as the Crusaders. Can't you see what is occurring here, ugly people are attempting to destroy our ancestors history.. Im talking about our ancestors who took up Crusade are being mocked by ignorant and agenda driven so called scholars. Sure, we can all agree the middle ages was not a time of perfection, but certainly the middle ages was not a dark and dull time.
    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

    George S Patton

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    • Originally posted by nastle View Post
      Lol jihad with Christians against ISIS
      What is the official stance of Muslim scholars on jihad and rebellion ?
      Except when there is an accepted Caliph; which is both spiritual and religious leader of Islam, think Pope and Emporer combined, "official Islam" is a bit divided, first into Sunni and Shia factions, then others and subfactions within them. As you see by our resident defender of Muslims(Islam?), they can say a lot and wind up saying very little.

      If you were to goto the start of this thread, the first couple/few dozen posts you'll see I tried to present many of the basics about Islam and Muslims. However, being over nine years back, many of the links are no longer valid.

      Such is the case here, with regard to post #12 where a former Saudi Jurist presents a lengthy esaay on Jihad. I present a couple of the currently active links, but since there are excerpts of content already present back at posts #12 thru @20 I'll direct you there for the key points.

      Jihad in the Qur'an and Sunnah
      By SHEIKH ABDULLAH BIN MUHAMMAD BIN HUMAID
      http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Jiha...d%20Sunnah.pdf
      http://hraic.com/jihad_in_the_quran_and_sunnah.html - abridged version
      https://archive.org/stream/JihadInTh...unnah_djvu.txt
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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      • Tell me something good about Jihad G David Bock....



        and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some ugly Muslim from Saudi Arabia.....and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some liberal who uses terms like "moderate" or "Extremist" Muslim.



        Give me the Jihad from the Ottoman Empire....the true Jihad like the true Crusade of that of Frederick II or Saint Francis of Assisi.

        I support Jihad all the way.

        And I support Crusade all the way.
        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

        George S Patton

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        • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          Tell me something good about Jihad G David Bock....



          and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some ugly Muslim from Saudi Arabia.....and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some liberal who uses terms like "moderate" or "Extremist" Muslim.



          Give me the Jihad from the Ottoman Empire....the true Jihad like the true Crusade of that of Frederick II or Saint Francis of Assisi.

          I support Jihad all the way.

          And I support Crusade all the way.
          We will continue to be at opposite poles on this issue since I find nothing redeeming with Islam after it leaves it's intended regional locale of the Arab tribes of the Arabian pennisula.

          ISIS unleash lady jihadi BITING BRIGADE armed with 'metal jaws' to tear women to death

          ISIS's all lady jihadi brigade have been unleashed armed with "metal jaws" to bite other women to death for religious crimes.

          http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...s-Black-Jihadi
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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          • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            We will continue to be at opposite poles on this issue since I find nothing redeeming with Islam after it leaves it's intended regional locale of the Arab tribes of the Arabian pennisula.

            ISIS unleash lady jihadi BITING BRIGADE armed with 'metal jaws' to tear women to death

            ISIS's all lady jihadi brigade have been unleashed armed with "metal jaws" to bite other women to death for religious crimes.

            http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...s-Black-Jihadi
            Why David. You have heart....support Jihad and Crusade against ISIL as I do
            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

            George S Patton

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            • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
              Why David. You have heart....support Jihad and Crusade against ISIL as I do
              When you include ALL Islamic Jihadist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah as well, renounce the validity of Sharia Law, and abrogate the passages of Islamic scripture placing non-Muslims in non-equal standing with Muslims, we might find common ground.
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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              • NEW AXIS OF EVIL Highly-trained Hamas commandos head to Egypt to team-up with terror group ISIS
                ...
                INCREASING numbers of elite Hamas commandos are leaving the Gaza Strip to join forces with ISIS in Egypt.
                Members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades and the Hamas commando wing (Nukhba) have teamed-up with the terror group.
                ...
                https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/282209...-to-join-isis/
                http://www.timesofisrael.com/elite-h...islamic-state/
                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                  NEW AXIS OF EVIL Highly-trained Hamas commandos head to Egypt to team-up with terror group ISIS
                  ...
                  INCREASING numbers of elite Hamas commandos are leaving the Gaza Strip to join forces with ISIS in Egypt.
                  Members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades and the Hamas commando wing (Nukhba) have teamed-up with the terror group.
                  ...
                  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/282209...-to-join-isis/
                  http://www.timesofisrael.com/elite-h...islamic-state/
                  That's actually a good thing, it'll tick off the Egyptians who'll be less likely to allow smuggling into gaza. (Also result in more dead members of hamas.)

                  Who knows? It might be evolution in progress, as the more militant get killed off the more intelligent peace lovers might win out...
                  Credo quia absurdum.


                  Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                  • Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                    That's actually a good thing, it'll tick off the Egyptians who'll be less likely to allow smuggling into gaza. (Also result in more dead members of hamas.)

                    Who knows? It might be evolution in progress, as the more militant get killed off the more intelligent peace lovers might win out...
                    Do you think our resident Farsi will now call for extermination of Hamas along with ISIS/ISIL ?
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                      Do you think our resident Farsi will now call for extermination of Hamas along with ISIS/ISIL ?
                      Whatever will cause the most commotion. It's how trolls work.
                      Credo quia absurdum.


                      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                      • What Do Jihadis Want? The Caliphate

                        by Daniel Pipes
                        Global Terrorism: Challenges and Policy Options
                        2017

                        EXCERPT:
                        ...
                        Motives for Jihadi Attacks

                        Why do the motives go unexplained? Post the attacks on the United States on 11 September 2001, analysts are still speculating on the likely motives. In broad terms however, we can state that there are two general categories or motives for attacks.

                        The first is to change specific policies of the state which has been targeted. As an example, this could pertain to seeking withdrawal of foreign troops from Iraq and Afghanistan or to get Riyadh to expel foreign troops from its soil. It could also be aimed at pressuring governments to end support for Israel or to pressure New Delhi to cede control over Kashmir.

                        The second category is more broad-based and is aimed at weakening non-Muslims in general, undermining their economy, creating fear in the minds of their populace and attempting to establish Muslim superiority. But both the categories point to something even larger. The jihadis seek to establish a world dominated by Muslims, Islam, Shari'a and the caliphate.

                        We see jihad take two forms, based on the relative strength of the Muslim population in an area. Where non-Muslims rule, the attempt is to gain control over the levers of power, and to be in charge. The aim is to overthrow kafir rule. There is no direct attempt to convert, but the war is a war for territory. Where Muslims rule, the aim is to apply Shari'a in its entirety. The hope or end state is for a pious, just, ruler who can make Muslims strong and rich and who can end their divisions. The end state of both is however a global caliphate. The Caliph rules over all the peoples of the world and implements Shari'a law in its entirety.
                        ...
                        http://www.meforum.org/6601/what-do-...c6847-33661481
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • Updating a Hadith link;
                          From the Hadith, Book 1, Chapter 9;
                          QUOTE:
                          Book 001, Number 0031:
                          It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
                          Book 001, Number 0032:
                          It is narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded that I should fight against people till they declare that there is no god but Allah, and when they profess it that there is no god but Allah, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah, and then he (the Holy Prophet) recited (this verse of the Holy Qur'an):" Thou art not over them a warden" (lxxxviii, 22).
                          Book 001, Number 0033:
                          It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
                          http://thereligionofpeace.com/quran/muslim/001-smt.htm
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                          • Jihad is another way of promoting Arab Persian or Turkish imperialism
                            At the very core this struggle is racial not religious
                            Thank God that christianity and Judaism left the deserts of middle East and prospered elsewhere

                            Immediate issue is to stop this tide of Middle eastern men (muslim or otherwise) flooding Europe, , this is the real "Jihad "

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                            • Irony - Ms. Piggy leads the charge ...

                              Allahlu ahkabar!

                              God is great.

                              Whom can understand the will of Gawd.

                              Wild boars overrun Islamic State position, kill 3 militants
                              EXCERPT:

                              Three Islamic State militants setting up an ambush in a bitterly contested area of northern Iraq were killed by a herd of stampeding boars, local leaders say.

                              Sheikh Anwar al-Assi, a chief of the local Ubaid tribe and supervisor of anti-ISIS forces, told The Times of London the militants were hiding on the edge of a field about 50 miles southwest of Kirkuk when the boars overwhelmed them Sunday. Five other militants were injured, al-Assi said.

                              He said the group was poised to attack a band of local tribesmen who had fled to nearby mountains since militants seized the town of Hawija three years ago.

                              “It is likely their movement disturbed a herd of wild pigs, which inhabit the area as well as the nearby cornfields,” he said.

                              Al-Assi said the militants had summarily executed 25 people attempting to flee the militant's would-be caliphate in the three days before the boars attacked. Hawija, about 100 miles south of Mosul, sees dozens of residents flee to Kurdish Kirkuk daily, and the Iraqi military has planned to launch an offensive in the region after a laborious effort to liberate Mosul is completed.
                              ...
                              http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...jUs?li=BBnbfcL

                              Eat pork rinds Jihadi scum.
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                              • "Back in the day" folks would be more honest about being against religions....if one was against Christianity they were against Christianity, not "radical" Christianity. If one was against Islam, they were against Islam not "radical" Islam.

                                "Naming is an exercise in power. Whether you're naming places or naming peoples, you are therefore asserting a power of sort of establishing what is reality and what is not."


                                http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...er-seen-before

                                There is no such thing as radical Islam, Jihadism, radical Islamists or any of that rubbish that seeks to connect a negative word with a religion has absolutely no historical connection whatsoever.


                                Canon, Torah and Shariah law are beautiful. Jihad and Crusade mean to fight ISIL. A gentleman or lady does not attack religion. Rather a gentleman or lady would protect religion from being hi jacked and would fight against Christians who served the Third Reich and Muslim imposters who serve ISIL. Because thousands of honorable Muslims fight ISIL, there can never be a logical case to suggest Islam is a non peaceful religion its the same with Christianity.

                                Folks want to hear this type of message that I submit, most people are peaceful.

                                Supporting the pov of respecting different faiths are the founding fathers, Napoleon Bonaparte, Jean Bodin, Cyrus the Great, Richard the Lionheart, Philip the 33rd Roman Emperor, and Saladin just to name a few...there are thousands perhaps millions more who exhibit such honorable values.








                                Those who oppose the honorable values of humanity are the , ISIL, Robert Spencer, Jihadwatch, zerohedge.com, rebelmedia , David Horowitz , as well as stromfront. <---These types of sites and types of people have just about totally brainwashed some folks including the good sir G David Bock into being against Muhammad and Jihad....After all Jihad means to fight ISIL. Jihad is similar to Crusade.

                                I end this post with saying Praise Jesus our Lord and Savior. Allah Akbar. Muhammad was a tremendous man, a great leader for the Muslims. Muhammad is loved and admired by numerous Christian leaders of history. God is Great....is what I say. Anti Trump or anti Hillary Clinton car stickers are non beneficial and should be replaced with car stickers saying Jihad and Crusade means to fight ISIL.
                                Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 27 Apr 17, 21:30. Reason: typo
                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                                George S Patton

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